Under the index for under a grand!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Iraceitall and Joe, my friends and I joked about "Under the Record for Under 5K" for the next project but I can't imagine this combo having that kind of potential. It's just too restricted.
Dwight, I have some "stuff" that I could throw at it above and beyond the budget. I like that idea. I would like to first spend a couple of weeks trying to max the car out as it sits though.
I'm a one man band kinda guy so, I appreciate the offers but I'll pass on the help or donations. But hold that thought because something BIG just may be on the horizon!

Billy, I might be in ...on that something BIG...I might have something BIG on the horizon too

;-)

[Carguy49]

Billy, this is without a doubt one of the coolest things going. It reminds me of when my friends and I would see what we could scrounge up in the way of parts to make our cars go faster on the cheap. The idea of under the record for under 5 grand is very cool. Why not keep making changes to the car and see how fast it will go? This car at a National event taking down the new factory cars would be the ultimate showdown. Good luck with this car and maybe an article done on this subject would be inspirational to many guys wanting to do this same thing. Not sure what magazine, a reference to Car Craft was brought up in an earlier response. I think that would be very cool. By the way, your name upside down on the car - PRICELESS.

[Billy Nees]

Summer's here! From 600 ft DA at "The Grove" to my day at a T+T at "The Beav" where the good air this morning was 2750 ft and it got as bad as 3300 ft by mid afternoon.
"Dime Rocket" tip for the day, local racetrack run T+T days. What would you pay for a tenth in your new Stocker or SS car? 6 hour T+T cost me $40 and it was worth every dime! Just one quick thing about doing T+Ts, go with a plan of what and how you're going to test. If you think that you can go to NHRA meets and test or make changes then you are kidding yourself. I kinda knew when I went to "The Grove" last week that my tune-up wasn't right but I had an unknown converter in the car and, with the bad weather threatening to make it a one Q run and race deal, I wanted to know that the car would go down the track. It did but not very fast. Ancient history.
The first pass, in the same state as it was last week, got me a 15.36 @84.61 MPH. That compared to a 14.81 @ 88.82 best last week. Not even the IHRA index, I've got my work cut out for me. I made 8 runs changing jets, timing, carb gaskets, a different carb and finally, my launch RPM. To make a long story short, it reacted to leaner jets(more so that the weather would require), more timing, taller carb gaskets and raising my starting line RPM. The carb had a pretty bad stumble that I didn't want to take the time to figure out today so it went back in the truck but it showed some promise.
Simple tuning got the car from a 15.36@84.61 in 2750ft of air to a 15.22@85.68 in 3300ft of air. Still not a bad weather index runner but an improvement of almost a tenth and a half and a MPH for 40 bucks and some sweat. I'll take it.

[MikeMoller]

. But hold that thought because something BIG just may be on the horizon![/QUOTE]

1963 Pontiac wagon?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Summer's here! From 600 ft DA at "The Grove" to my day at a T+T at "The Beav" where the good air this morning was 2750 ft and it got as bad as 3300 ft by mid afternoon.
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Simple tuning got the car from a 15.36@84.61 in 2750ft of air to a 15.22@85.68 in 3300ft of air. Still not a bad weather index runner but an improvement of almost a tenth and a half and a MPH for 40 bucks and some sweat. I'll take it.

Nice!

Pittsburgh got as bad as 4,000', with a headwind to boot. The Volare was .23 slower than MG, and the Dart was .41 slower (too rich, plus running it warmer).

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

The trans is a T-200 that is a fresh, stock rebuild with a Trans-Go kit in it. I've used it before, it shifts fine and I'm going to try and play with getting it to auto shift itself by tuning the governor.

I would say there is some ET left behind in that trans,..especially on a low HP combo. Most of it...free!
I might be working on the governor thing soon, myself.
I'll report it all here..
Problem right now is we don't have a track to test on at the moment.

[SAMATCOTOOLSMAN]

In summary:
If you drag race or want toon alimited and reasonable budget,than the b.n.r.c method as reflected in this on going post is the only practical and viable way to do so.
The b.n.r.c. Approach provides a challenging and educational experience for both the entry level and experienced racer alike.
Not withstanding the satisfaction and accomplishment that can accrue through this type of project.
The "dime rocket" can be unusual and different which is part of the appeal.moreover,this type of machine can be used as a stock eliminator class race car and/or as a bracket catagory race car without the burdens and concerns of wearing out an expensive,sophisticated techno motor and transmission.
This type of car can be maintained with out highly specialized parts and can be transported to the race track on a simple,open style trailer.
While some may say that there are disadvantages to racing a "slow" car,i believe that given all of the variables involved in drag racing the possibility of going rounds and winning races cannot be discounted using this type of car.
Further,given the overall investment of time and money the downsides are greatly reduced.
In closing there remains some major considerations.
And difficult questions to answer as they are basic and personal.-do you like and relate to this type of race car and is the performance range what you seek?.
Run the numbers and search your motivations,the drag racing answer will come.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by SAMATCOTOOLSMAN

In summary:
If you drag race or want toon alimited and reasonable budget,than the b.n.r.c method as reflected in this on going post is the only practical and viable way to do so.
The b.n.r.c. Approach provides a challenging and educational experience for both the entry level and experienced racer alike.
Not withstanding the satisfaction and accomplishment that can accrue through this type of project.
The "dime rocket" can be unusual and different which is part of the appeal.moreover,this type of machine can be used as a stock eliminator class race car and/or as a bracket catagory race car without the burdens and concerns of wearing out an expensive,sophisticated techno motor and transmission.
This type of car can be maintained with out highly specialized parts and can be transported to the race track on a simple,open style trailer.
While some may say that there are disadvantages to racing a "slow" car,i believe that given all of the variables involved in drag racing the possibility of going rounds and winning races cannot be discounted using this type of car.
Further,given the overall investment of time and money the downsides are greatly reduced.
In closing there remains some major considerations.
And difficult questions to answer as they are basic and personal.-do you like and relate to this type of race car and is the performance range what you seek?.
Run the numbers and search your motivations,the drag racing answer will come.

Umm, yeah, OK. A little too highbrow for me, I'll see if I can get Prof. Dave to translate it. I think that it means that if you have the want and means to race a new Mustang then the "Dime Rocket" deal probably ain't for you.
On a lighter note, I've mounted up a few sets of front tires of different diameters(26,27.5,29) and if I can get to The Beav this weekend I'm going to be comparing them for the differences in RT and ET. It could be interesting!

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Umm, yeah, OK. A little too highbrow for me, I'll see if I can get Prof. Dave to translate it. I think that it means that if you have the want and means to race a new Mustang then the "Dime Rocket" deal probably ain't for you.
On a lighter note, I've mounted up a few sets of front tires of different diameters(26,27.5,29) and if I can get to The Beav this weekend I'm going to be comparing them for the differences in RT and ET. It could be interesting!

I've done this kind of testing on mid 10-sec to high 11-sec cars. 2" in tire height will get you roughly .012-.015 in R/T, but will have much less effect on ET, probably half that. 2.5" was about .018. With the slower car, you might see slightly more.

Will a 3" change in tire height throw off your alignment job or make a 4-corner scale weight distribution change (for better or worse) in any meaningful way?

[cicero819]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Umm, yeah, OK. A little too highbrow for me, I'll see if I can get Prof. Dave to translate it. I think that it means that if you have the want and means to race a new Mustang then the "Dime Rocket" deal probably ain't for you.
On a lighter note, I've mounted up a few sets of front tires of different diameters(26,27.5,29) and if I can get to The Beav this weekend I'm going to be comparing them for the differences in RT and ET. It could be interesting!

What the fudge are you talking about matco man, this is drag racing, drag what you drugged out of your garage and race. Billy great job, you proved you could race at an affordable cost, be competitive and gone rounds at a Divisional race, I know of a couple of Cj,CoPo and drag packs that are quite envious of your progress. maybe you will start a revolution, I can see now The Patina Nationals(Maybe Micheal could use the title)coming soon to a town near you.Claude