Bring back super/mod... - Page 2

Hemi Moose · 08-15-2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom keedle

hmmph!
what?
no amc's!?!?!

how about a 410 cid limit?
no clutchless transmissions?
iron heads?

Any year?

Tand E racing · 08-15-2012, 12:41 AM

I'm all in!

David Lee · 08-15-2012, 03:57 AM

what was the suspension setups of these cars?

BlueOval Ralph · 08-15-2012, 07:21 AM

Nope Fadely Indy 1977

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Mike!!

Jason · 08-15-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

I agree with the idea. Make it cheap by making it very limited. Cubic inch and wts. One carb size, No sheet metal manifolds, No Box, Stick or Auto doesnt matter . Stock Crank sizes. Flat top Pistons. Trophy Only prize except contingency. List the bodies legal, Duster, Nova, Camaro. Cage, 4 link, 9 inch rear or 12 bolt or Dana.

It will never happen Dick. Someone would have to actually tear these cars down to verify the winner is legal. That means paying someone who knows what they are looking at.

Come on Mike...no FWD-conversion "jelly bean" cars. The sanction body wants new cars, not antiques.

While the idea is great, it will never happen, but it is fun to dream.

Rusty Davenport · 08-15-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mike carr

and no fwd-conversion ''jellybean'' cars.

that is a scream-----jelly bean cars----tell us some more mike !!!!!!!!

Dick Butler · 08-15-2012, 08:29 AM

It may be a dream but a definite "nitch" in class racing not being used to get new racers.
Jim Boburka and I had proposed similar Spec car 4or 5 years ago to combat costs and "factoring" issues. Name the motor in ANY legal SS or S chassis. That would cut costs for current racers. They could move to this class with next cheaper engine build and not have to replace their car. Younger could purchase retiring cars. I bet if NHRA had a big money company approach with a "sealed motor" to help in that area it would work.
Admit it the aged racer population is dwindling and entry level is not Stk or SS. It could all become .90 brackets and that would be sad end of heads up racing in my humble opinion.

Consider this fact, I think true Heads up racers would even accept a ONE brand motor class if it cut the cost to 1/3 and made it entry level. This would be about survival of Heads up and racers in general. Chrysler is fine with its AH program if you can afford them. Many other racing organizations have gone to more generic car and compete on DRIVER skills, Tuning skills. ETC. Its time to rethink fun,, driving and tuning with less $ in the equation.

Tom keedle · 08-15-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

It will never happen Dick. Someone would have to actually tear these cars down to verify the winner is legal. That means paying someone who knows what they are looking at.

Come on Mike...no FWD-conversion "jelly bean" cars. The sanction body wants new cars, not antiques.

While the idea is great, it will never happen, but it is fun to dream.

P&G for the dispacement,boroscope for the flattops and bottom end inspection by way of access hole in the pan,make roller cams legal along with rockers. mabye dual plane cast intakes just to MAYBE keep costs in line, stock frt suspension and a max tire width (you pick it) with ladder bars or stock type suspension and a min weight...

could be done with minimum tech officials...and not much for teardowns.

whatcha think?

D.Johns · 08-15-2012, 09:42 AM

ROTFLOL (now there is some hip language

)

Cheap heads-up

That's like:
jumbo shrimp
Customer service
Or government assistance

Heads up will not be cheap. No matter what rules and regulations you implement. That only makes it more expensive. The "cheapest" heads up would probably be a sealed crate engine class but still won't be cheap.

It's always the same story. New class, new people, lots of interest at first, early adopters tend to be dominant, money spent to gain an edge, new comers aren't as competitive, politics, whining, participation drops, people complain more, Customers/racers/spectators/sponsors lose interest(due to money, new or lack of technolgy) develop new class, old class dies. It's a viscous circle.
I keep hearing about the "good ole days" to me it is the "good ole days" in the here and now. Some peoples calanders must still read 1970s in there house. Things evolve or they die. Classes come and go, it's the normal ebb and flow of life. It's creative destruction when we lose one and gain another.

If there is a lot of interest in bringing back the class by all means bring it back or something similar. I think that's great. Personally, if the goal is to get young guys(20-30s) to come race, this is not it. It won't be cheap and it does not relate to anything they own. Most drag racers start out in their street cars that they drive everyday to work because when you're young and just starting out you can't afford multiple cars and expensive toys(well unless you use debt but that means you won't as much disposable income to go race every month that requires travel)

You want a younger generation to come race?
Step 1:Teach them finiacial responsibility
Step 2: Expose them to the sport in general.
Step 3: Let them design a class that appeals to them. Wether that is Evoulution of an exsisting class or creation of a new one. "Let the dog wag the tail, not the tail wag the dog"

Just my 10 cents the 2 cents was free.

ss wannabee · 08-15-2012, 10:46 AM

Great ideas...but maybe a bit too late? We're well into the 21st Century...and we didn't have half the electronic and computer innovations back then...as we do today.

I'm speaking in terms as they apply to everyday life..as well as automotive and race-car
applications. The current young male...(and female) is a bit more familiar with pushing a
button...than turning wrenches...Tatoos and body-piercing dominate the social scheme....and are important to them....

Can we get some...to turn into gear-heads? Don't know? Do they know...or are willing to learn carburetors...(I'm assuming you'd want to see Holley carbs on these engines.)

OR would EFI's...tuned by laptops...be more relevant for the "new-blood" racers...would costs "spiral" if these were allowed?

Most of the younger "gearheads" I've seen are familiar with the "tuner" section of the sport....I think that means European and Asian cars, right? Not many I've seen are doing American V-8's...but there are some....COSTS ...I guess are a big factor with that....

Not sure on that mention of dual-plane manifolds only...PLENTY of single-plane intakes out there.....

Should we ask the question here...are we racing MORE now...and enjoying it LESS today...than in years past?

Mr. Johns...don't ask me about the "calendar" thing....I'm 60+...and have been living in the PAST...for years!

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Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... It may be a dream but a definite "nitch" in class racing not being used to get new racers. Jim Boburka and I had proposed similar Spec car 4or 5 years ago to combat costs and "factoring" issues. Name the motor in ANY legal SS or S chassis. That would cut costs for current racers. They could move to this class with next cheaper engine build and not have to replace their car. Younger could purchase retiring cars. I bet if NHRA had a big money company approach with a "sealed motor" to help in that area it would work. Admit it the aged racer population is dwindling and entry level is not Stk or SS. It could all become .90 brackets and that would be sad end of heads up racing in my humble opinion. Consider this fact, I think true Heads up racers would even accept a ONE brand motor class if it cut the cost to 1/3 and made it entry level. This would be about survival of Heads up and racers in general. Chrysler is fine with its AH program if you can afford them. Many other racing organizations have gone to more generic car and compete on DRIVER skills, Tuning skills. ETC. Its time to rethink fun,, driving and tuning with less $ in the equation. Last edited by Dick Butler; 08-15-2012 at 08:37 AM.

08-15-2012, 09:42 AM	#19
D.Johns Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 437 Likes: 15 Liked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... ROTFLOL (now there is some hip language ) Cheap heads-up That's like: jumbo shrimp Customer service Or government assistance Heads up will not be cheap. No matter what rules and regulations you implement. That only makes it more expensive. The "cheapest" heads up would probably be a sealed crate engine class but still won't be cheap. It's always the same story. New class, new people, lots of interest at first, early adopters tend to be dominant, money spent to gain an edge, new comers aren't as competitive, politics, whining, participation drops, people complain more, Customers/racers/spectators/sponsors lose interest(due to money, new or lack of technolgy) develop new class, old class dies. It's a viscous circle. I keep hearing about the "good ole days" to me it is the "good ole days" in the here and now. Some peoples calanders must still read 1970s in there house. Things evolve or they die. Classes come and go, it's the normal ebb and flow of life. It's creative destruction when we lose one and gain another. If there is a lot of interest in bringing back the class by all means bring it back or something similar. I think that's great. Personally, if the goal is to get young guys(20-30s) to come race, this is not it. It won't be cheap and it does not relate to anything they own. Most drag racers start out in their street cars that they drive everyday to work because when you're young and just starting out you can't afford multiple cars and expensive toys(well unless you use debt but that means you won't as much disposable income to go race every month that requires travel) You want a younger generation to come race? Step 1:Teach them finiacial responsibility Step 2: Expose them to the sport in general. Step 3: Let them design a class that appeals to them. Wether that is Evoulution of an exsisting class or creation of a new one. "Let the dog wag the tail, not the tail wag the dog" Just my 10 cents the 2 cents was free. __________________ 2014 Cobra Jet FS/XX #3345 STK/SS Like us on http://www.facebook.com/pages/Daniel...25886327426822

08-15-2012, 10:46 AM	#20
ss wannabee Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 663 Likes: 0 Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... Great ideas...but maybe a bit too late? We're well into the 21st Century...and we didn't have half the electronic and computer innovations back then...as we do today. I'm speaking in terms as they apply to everyday life..as well as automotive and race-car applications. The current young male...(and female) is a bit more familiar with pushing a button...than turning wrenches...Tatoos and body-piercing dominate the social scheme....and are important to them.... Can we get some...to turn into gear-heads? Don't know? Do they know...or are willing to learn carburetors...(I'm assuming you'd want to see Holley carbs on these engines.) OR would EFI's...tuned by laptops...be more relevant for the "new-blood" racers...would costs "spiral" if these were allowed? Most of the younger "gearheads" I've seen are familiar with the "tuner" section of the sport....I think that means European and Asian cars, right? Not many I've seen are doing American V-8's...but there are some....COSTS ...I guess are a big factor with that.... Not sure on that mention of dual-plane manifolds only...PLENTY of single-plane intakes out there..... Should we ask the question here...are we racing MORE now...and enjoying it LESS today...than in years past? Mr. Johns...don't ask me about the "calendar" thing....I'm 60+...and have been living in the PAST...for years!