Attention Jim Waibel Broken Down in North Florida

[davebw31]

I don't have the time to waste on this scum bag on this forum. He is not worth it! I have been silent for a long time and I guess I just got tired of the "great Waibel". I had John Troxel talk me in to doing my short block after 3 short blocks by Waibel with number 7 rod out the side of the block. Troxel said "send Waibel's short block to me along with another short block and I will build you one at cost". I did send Waibel's and other short block sent to me by Olds Engineering rep. Dale Smith (yes I was part of the factory race team) on two seperate shipping pallets via truck. Within two weeks Troxel calls me and said " number 7 rod and piston were unbalanced in relatioinship to the weights of the rest of the rotating assembly". In others words purpouslly done to keep me coming back. I got a lot more facts that this guy is not what he seems.
Just ask Ron Kenziour.

BTW: at a points meet at Warner Robins, GA a guy he screwed over big time stepped in front of Waibel's car to keep him from racing in the 1st round of SS and Waibel ran over the guy and broke his leg! Nice huh, what a great guy!

I am done

[Jim Wahl]

Nicely said Jeremy. This does not need to escalate. Dave, Jeremy's father's sins are not his. While I can sympathize with you, Maybe you should have straightened things out years ago with Jim. Just my 2 cents. Jim

[FlyingW]

I am not here to decifere what may have or may not have happened back in the 70's. I do however feel sorry for you that you have carried this around for so many years. It must be agonizing to live this way.

Understand this... while you may have had bad experiences with my dad, there were MANY MANY MANY others who did not. There were MANY MANY MANY national record holders that ran under the Waibel Competition W. I also know that you do not recieve honors such as "Engine Builder of the Year" or Division 2 Hall of Fame Inductee by either being a fraud and/or not what you are made out to be. I dont think that NHRA seeks out very many people to place information into thier rule books on how valve jobs should be done, however they did with my dad. So I ask you, do you feel that they would do this to someone that by your definition was OUT TO GET YOU!!!

My other question to you is the same as other in this forum, if you had a problem with the work that was done in your motor, WHY GO BACK? You know there is an old saying "1st dog bites me, SHAME ON DOG, the next time the dog bites me, SHAME ON ME" I just know that if it were me, and I had the kinds of issues that you are describing, I would have went down the road long before what you are saying. It is not as though you did not know other engine builders. I do wish that you would have cleared the air with my dad years ago...

As far as Troxel is concerned, I know that there was a working relationship between him and my father, however to what extent I do not know.

With all of this being said , I would still stop and help ANY racing family that was stranded on the side of the road....

Again, as I said before I am sorry that you had a bad experience with my dad, and I hope that you can eventually put it past you and move on. After all, in the grand scheme of things what good does it do for you to hold on to the bitterness?

Please understand that even though I try not to take sides in things like this that do not directly involve me, it is very difficult not to have a biased opinion in the matter because no matter how you look at it, he is still my dad, right or wrong in his actions in the past.

I am not my Dad, and I hold no hard feelings towards anyone in reguard to this issue or any issues they may have had with him. I want to be my own person in the racing world, and you really have NO IDEA how hard that actually is!!

Jeremy Waibel

[Carl Weisinger]

Dave,

"Gone Banana's" Dave Bunch, right?

1. Every time I've broken a rod it's been number 7 and Jimmy Waibel never built any
of my engines.

2. In 1976 I rode all the way to Indy and back with Waibel and he didn't run over or protest anyone.

3. Hope I never did anything to piss you off.

Had some good times racing against you and Jimmy Waibel back then.

[davebw31]

Jeremy:

I understand it is not about you. I am a mature 66 yrs old man with a lot of real life experiences, a single parent who raised two young daughters, a two tour Viet Nam combat veteran, and I could not attend all the races I could have due to job and family commitments, I also know "blood is thicker than water". Enough said on that!

Jim Wahl:

I respect you on what you have done for the Southern Stock/Super Stock Association. I do not carry any weight on my shoulders about this. You sir have no Idea the hardship this person put me in. I lost a vital points race at an IHRA national event, a Wally at a NHRA National event, and the chance to be the Div 2 stock points champion prior to Indy! I was a hard working single parent with two young daughters to provide for and because I was very successfull locally and nationally I made enough money racing to more than cover expenses and provide extras for my girls, this guy cost me prestige and $$$. Besides who likes being taken advantage of. I thought this guy was OK to deal with when I moved to Florida after quiting Olds. Gezzzzzs he was part of the team, the team I belonged too! Who knew!

OK, this is the last I will comment, because it will go no where but negative! THAT is why I never said anything before. I regress, I guess my switch got flipped. LOL

[davebw31]

Carl my man, how the hell are you dude? Great to hear you still kicking. Miss coming to Orlando Speed World. I am retired and traveling in the motorhome 7 months out of the year. Just did a $100,000 dollar restoration on a rare 70' F-85 2 dr.post coupe W-31, 4 speed, Ralley Red paint, one of 5 painted this color and only one known to exist. It was just featured in Hemmings Muscle Machines, Jan. 2011 issue.

Ya, ya great racing back in the 70 s/ 80 s. You had a bitching, hauling *** SS/D Camero.

You really did a " class act " of running the track after Herdon gave up the reins!

No problem Carl, never had an issue, miss you and glad you are still among us

[Jim Wahl]

Dave,
Thank you for your compliment. I know who you are and remember racing with you back in the day. I am a little younger than you though. I to raised two kids on my own and raced as I could. You are correct about one thing, I haven't walked in your shoes or had your experiences BUT....... I have had my own experiences and disasters, maybe not the same as yours but equally as disheartening.
I just thought you came off a tad harsh that's all. Once again, just my opinion. Jim

[rowdyboys31]

Jeremy, I went see my machinist today an ask if he knew who Dave Bunch was, an the first word's out of his mouth, is that whiner still racing stock. Jeremy the machine shop were i get my machine work done here in Muncie,In. is owned by Bill Smith of Bill Smith Racing Engine's who worked for your father back in the mid 70's at the age of 19. He said he remember Dave calling an bitching that they put all his pistons on backward and again over the milling of the Exhaust side of his heads. He also said, how much Did Dave bitch about all the Race's he won using Waibel motor's. because all he did was win about every race with his Waibel motor? Lastly Jeremy, I was told the next time you talk to your dad tell him Billy said Hi! JohnK 3954

[davebw31]

Well, was not going to say anymore, however this last post by rowdyboys31 is greatly inaccurate. I am about the truth and totally resent the lies stated in this response!

Facts are:

1) RHS (who was my sponser) supplied the heads and they are the only ones who did all the work. Waibel never/ever had any heads from me nor did he work on any of my heads. This would have been in voilation with my racing contract with RHS .

2) Waibel only did the machine work on the short block and did the assembly.

3) I supplied all the parts, I. E. pistons, rods, crank, brgs, and crank.

4) The pistons/rod assemblies where supplied to me by Dale Smith in engineering that where specially machined with the "V notch" machined on the opposite side of the piston, thus changing " pin inclination" so I could run them backwards, thus increasing piston speed, resulting in more horsepower, and "during teardown, they would pass tech".

5) I never "whined". I was always talked to Waibel and no one else. I believed in Waibel as a team member even during the year and 1/2 when everyone who knew I had Waibel's decal on my car, hearing all of the horror stories of how they got screwed, I stuck with Waibel, not believing them.

6) Besides the report from Troxel on what was done to a short block done by Waibel, which Waibel did not know about, prior to this time during the Gator Nats I went down to Lakeland, FL on Sat. night to race as they had a $250 to win Stock/Super Stock combo race, which I won (BTW: I had just recently installed Troxel's short block). On the way back to Gainesville I had a really bad towing accident that destroyed my tow vehicle and my race car came off the trailer. Since I was only just a few miles from Lakeland, I did not know who to call, so I called Waibel as I knew he had a tow truck. Well long story short I called him to come pick the race car up and his exact words were " no problem it should be about $100 dollars". I said "Ok". I called a few weeks later that I was coming to pick it up. He said " It will now be $250 dollars". Now this was 1976 and that was a lot of money. I said "why so much"? He said " I have been thinking, I did your short blocks to cheap and my dog is tied up to your trailer, if you do not pay me, I will put a mechanics lien against it and it will be mine after 30 days". I asked him to give me a few weeks to raise the $$ and "would you please air the rear tires up in a few days, as I run them tubeless and they are brand new, to not to ruin the sidewalls". Can you say black mail!

I came to pick it up and pay the "ransom" and you guessed it, the tires were flat and the sidewalls were cracked, ruining the tires.

Call me stupid, the panic I was in from the pressure from the Fla. Hwy. Patrol to remove my race car as they said "now", the seriousness of the accident, etc, etc. I will admit, what was I thinking!

The facts are still the truth and the truth is the facts! Of course those who think they know what transpired will believe what they think happened. The important thing is " I know what the truth is".

BTW: The best I ever went with a Waibel short block was on the record or one tenth under and the fact that I was good and I could cut a "an excellent light" had a lot to do with winning a lot of races. After installing a Troxel short block, after the third "break-in pass", I went 4 tenths under the record, short shifting at 6,200 rpm instead of 7,000 rpm! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Eventually after getting use to this "new power" I went 8 tenths under! I wonder why?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by davebw31

Well, was not going to say anymore, however this last post by rowdyboys31 is greatly inaccurate. I am about the truth and totally resent the lies stated in this response!

Facts are:

1) RHS (who was my sponser) supplied the heads and they are the only ones who did all the work. Waibel never/ever had any heads from me nor did he work on any of my heads. This would have been in voilation with my racing contract with RHS .

2) Waibel only did the machine work on the short block and did the assembly.

3) I supplied all the parts, I. E. pistons, rods, crank, brgs, and crank.

4) The pistons/rod assemblies where supplied to me by Dale Smith in engineering that where specially machined with the "V notch" machined on the opposite side of the piston, thus changing " pin inclination" so I could run them backwards, thus increasing piston speed, resulting in more horsepower, and "during teardown, they would pass tech".

5) I never "whined". I was always talked to Waibel and no one else. I believed in Waibel as a team member even during the year and 1/2 when everyone who knew I had Waibel's decal on my car, hearing all of the horror stories of how they got screwed, I stuck with Waibel, not believing them.

6) Besides the report from Troxel on what was done to a short block done by Waibel, which Waibel did not know about, prior to this time during the Gator Nats I went down to Lakeland, FL on Sat. night to race as they had a $250 to win Stock/Super Stock combo race, which I won (BTW: I had just recently installed Troxel's short block). On the way back to Gainesville I had a really bad towing accident that destroyed my tow vehicle and my race car came off the trailer. Since I was only just a few miles from Lakeland, I did not know who to call, so I called Waibel as I knew he had a tow truck. Well long story short I called him to come pick the race car up and his exact words were " no problem it should be about $100 dollars". I said "Ok". I called a few weeks later that I was coming to pick it up. He said " It will now be $250 dollars". Now this was 1976 and that was a lot of money. I said "why so much"? He said " I have been thinking, I did your short blocks to cheap and my dog is tied up to your trailer, if you do not pay me, I will put a mechanics lien against it and it will be mine after 30 days". I asked him to give me a few weeks to raise the $$ and "would you please air the rear tires up in a few days, as I run them tubeless and they are brand new, to not to ruin the sidewalls". Can you say black mail!

I came to pick it up and pay the "ransom" and you guessed it, the tires were flat and the sidewalls were cracked, ruining the tires.

Call me stupid, the panic I was in from the pressure from the Fla. Hwy. Patrol to remove my race car as they said "now", the seriousness of the accident, etc, etc. I will admit, what was I thinking!

The facts are still the truth and the truth is the facts! Of course those who think they know what transpired will believe what they think happened. The important thing is " I know what the truth is".

And the truth shall set you free.Now go on and take your sorry story to a new thread.This one was about helping another racer broken down on the highway.Nobody cares what you think about him,except you.Fade away.