Driver changes - Page 2

Bobby DiDomenico · 07-21-2009, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

I've never heard of this before but after 2 cars are qualified by 2 different drivers,how can there be a driver change? I'm just curious, didn't think this was allowed. Joe

Is this a hypothetical question or did it actually occur?

Brandon Peterson · 07-21-2009, 12:07 PM

i was told when asked about someone else qualifying your car is that whoever makes the final qualifying pass is the person who has to drive the car in elems...i have seen and heard of plenty of people making the first pass in a car and then someone else making the last pass and then racing it....i dont know about 2 different drivers swithcing cars but i know if my dad makes the first pass and i want to be the one who races than i have to make the last qualifying pass..not suer if this rule is for a natl. only though and i ver never had to do this just thought i might have to awhile back

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-21-2009, 12:49 PM

Yes this did actually occur, that's why i'm asking, how it got done. Joe

Ed Fernandez · 07-21-2009, 07:11 PM

If you change drivers you have to change the #s on the car.I guess the tower personel have to stay on top of that.Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

billy leber · 07-21-2009, 11:06 PM

i shot for the number 18 spot because there are two bye runs on a 34 car ladder. got the 18th spot only to find a 33 car ladder come out for first round. oh well. At the end of the day pete dagnolo was the only one not to f up! congrats pete good drivin!!!

Chuck Beach · 07-22-2009, 06:04 AM

I guess there must be an NHRA version and an IHRA version. My understanding under NHRA for a national event you had to make a driver change before you got your credentials, thus running the correct competition number on your car when qualifying and racing. Once qualified that was it. At divisionals I have no idea what the rule is. Seems like they make them up as they go along ...

Bobby DiDomenico · 07-22-2009, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Yes this did actually occur, that's why i'm asking, how it got done. Joe

Joe,

Without actually knowing who/where, this is a moot point and it will happen again!

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-22-2009, 06:47 AM

Yes, Billy this is my point, the ladder was changed to suit the circumstances. There were fewer cars on it than registered in the race. I'm happy for Pete, just not so impressed with the way it was handled. And yes I took my concern to the race director and was told that THEY decided it was to be done that way because of a GREY area in the rule book. My rule book seems to be a misprint cause it's in black and white. Now I don't really look at the qualifying sheets too much other than to see how many cars there are I just run my junk as hard as I can and what ever happens - happens I'm not smart enough to try and put my stuff in a certain spot. Just think this was a bad decicion made in haste, without regard to how it affected the rest of the racers. Joe

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-22-2009, 07:22 AM

I guess this wouldn't bother me so much, but last fall at the Osceola points race I stood in the lanes watching 4 cars left, one was missing I heard them at least 3 times make a call out for the missing car, finally they went ahead and ran the round. the one car was waved on to make a single which he did, about the time he left the line here comes his opponent. The missing driver jumped out and began yelling at the officials then ran straight for the tower. Not long after this they had a rerun for this guy and he won the round. Hey if you're late to the lanes you're just late sorry about your luck. Now I watched as the 2 IHRA officials told the racer sorry you were late, then they got overruled by someone in the tower, now that is not right, the officials call on sight should stand. Of course there are always some exceptions but being late for a round of eliminations is pretty cut and dry to me. Joe

Real Racer · 07-22-2009, 10:01 PM

This actually pretty disturbing if you think about it.

SS round qualifying:

GRAND BEND, Ont. - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the 2009 Nitro Jam Drag Racing Series, Mopar Canadian Nationals:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 3290 GT/CA Richard Mowat, Kitchener ON, '00 Firebird 9.583 10.70 -1.117
2 3061 GT/AA Colin Wigle, Amherstberg ON, '08 Mustang 9.308 10.40 -1.092
3 1995 GT/EA Rob Carpenter, St. Catherines ON, '82 Cama 9.950 10.95 -1.000
4 390 GT/TB Chuck Nagy, Niagara On The Lake ON, '02 So 10.151 11.15 -0.999
5 3216 GT/AA Victoria Smith, Cayuga ON, '05 Sunfire 9.410 10.40 -0.990
6 3356 SS/KA John Ulinskas, Oakville OH, '71 GS 10.563 11.55 -0.987
7 1105 GT/JA Gianni Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '00 Fireb 10.623 11.60 -0.977
8 3922 SS/GA Paul Cambria, Buffalo NY, '00 Firebird 9.902 10.85 -0.948
9 3117 SS/BX Joe Buchanan, Bellevue OH, '04 Mustang 9.915 10.85 -0.935
10 3423 SS/DA Dan Velenosi, Stoney Creek ON, '69 Camaro 9.570 10.50 -0.930
11 3828 SS/EM Donn Rhode, Gypsum OH, '68 Camaro 9.578 10.50 -0.922
12 1294 SS/BA Ollie Stephan, Scarborough ON, '71 Corvette 9.337 10.20 -0.863
13 374 SS/LA Ty Kwaiser, Rochester MI, '65 Nova Wgn 10.912 11.75 -0.838
14 3598 SS/DA Lyn Laperriere, Milan MI, '69 Camaro 9.665 10.50 -0.835
15 3138 SS/BS Todd Matthias, Monroeville OH, '86 Camaro 9.233 10.05 -0.817
16 3933 GT/DA Bill Little, Belmont ON, '05 Grand Am 9.999 10.80 -0.801
17 1339 GT/TA Gene Emes, Uxbridge ON, '04 S-10 10.053 10.85 -0.797
18 3235 PEA-1 Pete D'Agnolo, Rochester NY, '67 Camaro 9.471 10.25 -0.779
19 3006 GT/DA Brian Clayton, Port Perry ON, '84 Camaro 10.061 10.80 -0.739
20 1150 SS/TB Billy Leber, Tonawanda NY, '02 S-10 9.511 10.25 -0.739
21 3838 SS/NA Eric Stewart, Aurora IL, '84 Cutlass 11.735 12.45 -0.715
22 3963 GT/DA Robert Becker, Port Colborne ON, '87 Camaro10.111 10.80 -0.689
23 3489 GT/E Barrie Poole, Chatham ON, '85 Thunderbird 10.122 10.80 -0.678
24 110 GT/HA Frank Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '90 Camaro 10.804 11.35 -0.546
25 391 SS/BM Aaron Allison, E. Palestine MI, '90 Cavali 9.208 9.70 -0.492
26 1 SS/CM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '98 Grand Am 9.482 9.95 -0.468
27 3016 GT/EA Vincent Giglio, Kitchener ON, '85 Camaro 10.484 10.95 -0.466
28 3713 GT/FA Kirk Vanni, Binbrook ON, '86 Camaro 10.671 11.10 -0.429
29 371 GT/HA Mike Vanni, Binbrook ON, '85 Hurst 10.995 11.35 -0.355
30 1057 SS/CS Jamie Groves, Woodstock ON, '71 Comet 10.343 10.65 -0.307
31 1768 SS/AS Tom Simon, Dundas ON, '69 Camaro 9.706 9.90 -0.194
32 3474 SS/AM Bob Marshall, Columbus OH, '65 Coronet 9.288 9.42 -0.132
33 3170 SS/JA Glen Baker, Georgetown ON, '71 Skylark 11.346 11.30 0.046

07-21-2009, 12:07 PM	#12
Brandon Peterson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 436 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Driver changes i was told when asked about someone else qualifying your car is that whoever makes the final qualifying pass is the person who has to drive the car in elems...i have seen and heard of plenty of people making the first pass in a car and then someone else making the last pass and then racing it....i dont know about 2 different drivers swithcing cars but i know if my dad makes the first pass and i want to be the one who races than i have to make the last qualifying pass..not suer if this rule is for a natl. only though and i ver never had to do this just thought i might have to awhile back

07-21-2009, 12:49 PM	#13
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Driver changes Yes this did actually occur, that's why i'm asking, how it got done. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

07-21-2009, 07:11 PM	#14
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Driver changes If you change drivers you have to change the #s on the car.I guess the tower personel have to stay on top of that.Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

07-21-2009, 11:06 PM	#15
billy leber Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: most places Posts: 211 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Driver changes i shot for the number 18 spot because there are two bye runs on a 34 car ladder. got the 18th spot only to find a 33 car ladder come out for first round. oh well. At the end of the day pete dagnolo was the only one not to f up! congrats pete good drivin!!! __________________ Billy Leber 1150 SS, 1050 SG, 1962 STK, 185 SC

07-22-2009, 06:04 AM	#16
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Driver changes I guess there must be an NHRA version and an IHRA version. My understanding under NHRA for a national event you had to make a driver change before you got your credentials, thus running the correct competition number on your car when qualifying and racing. Once qualified that was it. At divisionals I have no idea what the rule is. Seems like they make them up as they go along ... __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

07-22-2009, 06:47 AM	#18
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Driver changes Yes, Billy this is my point, the ladder was changed to suit the circumstances. There were fewer cars on it than registered in the race. I'm happy for Pete, just not so impressed with the way it was handled. And yes I took my concern to the race director and was told that THEY decided it was to be done that way because of a GREY area in the rule book. My rule book seems to be a misprint cause it's in black and white. Now I don't really look at the qualifying sheets too much other than to see how many cars there are I just run my junk as hard as I can and what ever happens - happens I'm not smart enough to try and put my stuff in a certain spot. Just think this was a bad decicion made in haste, without regard to how it affected the rest of the racers. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

07-22-2009, 07:22 AM	#19
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Driver changes I guess this wouldn't bother me so much, but last fall at the Osceola points race I stood in the lanes watching 4 cars left, one was missing I heard them at least 3 times make a call out for the missing car, finally they went ahead and ran the round. the one car was waved on to make a single which he did, about the time he left the line here comes his opponent. The missing driver jumped out and began yelling at the officials then ran straight for the tower. Not long after this they had a rerun for this guy and he won the round. Hey if you're late to the lanes you're just late sorry about your luck. Now I watched as the 2 IHRA officials told the racer sorry you were late, then they got overruled by someone in the tower, now that is not right, the officials call on sight should stand. Of course there are always some exceptions but being late for a round of eliminations is pretty cut and dry to me. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

07-22-2009, 10:01 PM	#20
Real Racer Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Driver changes This actually pretty disturbing if you think about it. SS round qualifying: GRAND BEND, Ont. - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the 2009 Nitro Jam Drag Racing Series, Mopar Canadian Nationals: Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-) 1 3290 GT/CA Richard Mowat, Kitchener ON, '00 Firebird 9.583 10.70 -1.117 2 3061 GT/AA Colin Wigle, Amherstberg ON, '08 Mustang 9.308 10.40 -1.092 3 1995 GT/EA Rob Carpenter, St. Catherines ON, '82 Cama 9.950 10.95 -1.000 4 390 GT/TB Chuck Nagy, Niagara On The Lake ON, '02 So 10.151 11.15 -0.999 5 3216 GT/AA Victoria Smith, Cayuga ON, '05 Sunfire 9.410 10.40 -0.990 6 3356 SS/KA John Ulinskas, Oakville OH, '71 GS 10.563 11.55 -0.987 7 1105 GT/JA Gianni Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '00 Fireb 10.623 11.60 -0.977 8 3922 SS/GA Paul Cambria, Buffalo NY, '00 Firebird 9.902 10.85 -0.948 9 3117 SS/BX Joe Buchanan, Bellevue OH, '04 Mustang 9.915 10.85 -0.935 10 3423 SS/DA Dan Velenosi, Stoney Creek ON, '69 Camaro 9.570 10.50 -0.930 11 3828 SS/EM Donn Rhode, Gypsum OH, '68 Camaro 9.578 10.50 -0.922 12 1294 SS/BA Ollie Stephan, Scarborough ON, '71 Corvette 9.337 10.20 -0.863 13 374 SS/LA Ty Kwaiser, Rochester MI, '65 Nova Wgn 10.912 11.75 -0.838 14 3598 SS/DA Lyn Laperriere, Milan MI, '69 Camaro 9.665 10.50 -0.835 15 3138 SS/BS Todd Matthias, Monroeville OH, '86 Camaro 9.233 10.05 -0.817 16 3933 GT/DA Bill Little, Belmont ON, '05 Grand Am 9.999 10.80 -0.801 17 1339 GT/TA Gene Emes, Uxbridge ON, '04 S-10 10.053 10.85 -0.797 18 3235 PEA-1 Pete D'Agnolo, Rochester NY, '67 Camaro 9.471 10.25 -0.779 19 3006 GT/DA Brian Clayton, Port Perry ON, '84 Camaro 10.061 10.80 -0.739 20 1150 SS/TB Billy Leber, Tonawanda NY, '02 S-10 9.511 10.25 -0.739 21 3838 SS/NA Eric Stewart, Aurora IL, '84 Cutlass 11.735 12.45 -0.715 22 3963 GT/DA Robert Becker, Port Colborne ON, '87 Camaro10.111 10.80 -0.689 23 3489 GT/E Barrie Poole, Chatham ON, '85 Thunderbird 10.122 10.80 -0.678 24 110 GT/HA Frank Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '90 Camaro 10.804 11.35 -0.546 25 391 SS/BM Aaron Allison, E. Palestine MI, '90 Cavali 9.208 9.70 -0.492 26 1 SS/CM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '98 Grand Am 9.482 9.95 -0.468 27 3016 GT/EA Vincent Giglio, Kitchener ON, '85 Camaro 10.484 10.95 -0.466 28 3713 GT/FA Kirk Vanni, Binbrook ON, '86 Camaro 10.671 11.10 -0.429 29 371 GT/HA Mike Vanni, Binbrook ON, '85 Hurst 10.995 11.35 -0.355 30 1057 SS/CS Jamie Groves, Woodstock ON, '71 Comet 10.343 10.65 -0.307 31 1768 SS/AS Tom Simon, Dundas ON, '69 Camaro 9.706 9.90 -0.194 32 3474 SS/AM Bob Marshall, Columbus OH, '65 Coronet 9.288 9.42 -0.132 33 3170 SS/JA Glen Baker, Georgetown ON, '71 Skylark 11.346 11.30 0.046