Rare cars still being raced - Page 17

Rory McNeil · 11-10-2021, 10:57 AM

oldskool, I guess I got mixed up, it is Stephanie Pikes LeMans that is the sedan, Underhills car is indeed a hardtop. Considering I saw the car at a local Stock/SS race last month, I should have paid more attention ! I just assumed Pikes car was a T37, not being a Pontiac guy, I ASSumed that that was the only way to get the 455 in a non GTO, my mistake. Not sure what the best numbers for Underhills car is, but I have seen it go 10.5s a couple of times, and is usually near the top of the qualifying list whenever I have seen it run at Miramichi or Greenfield.

Stan Weiss · 11-10-2021, 11:30 AM

I see different people have different ideas as to what is a rare car being raced. I tend to think anything that was produced in numbers down around the 50 min that NHRA required or less is a rare car.

Stan

Steve Stasko · 11-10-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

I see different people have different ideas as to what is a rare car being raced. I tend to think anything that was produced in numbers down around the 50 min that NHRA required or less is a rare car.

Stan

Rare and uncommon are often confused in the automotive world.

oldskool · 11-10-2021, 02:40 PM

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Billy Nees · 11-10-2021, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskool

No, the '67 Bird is not rare, from a sales standpoint. But how many currently active '67 Bird Stockers are ya'll aware of ? The only other one I'm aware of belongs to Bryan Phillips. And Joel Larkin has a '67 SS Bird. That's 3. If there are others, I'm not aware, at this moment. But, if there are others, I'd like to know. So, if ya'll know of others, please post that info.

OS, I think that the original thought behind this thread was rare OEM cars (orig. RA2, 428 CJ) that are still being raced. Personally, I think that anyone still racing an original and rare car is nuts but I've been called the same for the stuff that I do.
Going by your premise, I guess that my LeMans is the rarest Pontiac out there. It's 1 of 1.
AND OBTW, a "small block" Pontiac!

Frank Castros · 11-10-2021, 03:30 PM

Oldskool,
With all respect due to you as you bring much to this forum, I agree with Billy that this thread had been hijacked from it's original premise.

oldskool · 11-10-2021, 07:35 PM

"...the original thought behind this thread was rare OEM cars (orig. RA2, 428 CJ) that are still being raced..."

OK, going strictly by that, I have no way of knowing about EVERY Pontiac, which ones may have been "ORIGINAL" RA2, RA4, 455HO, SD455, or other rare cars.

I've read that John Clegg bought his '73 SD455 Bird new. So, is that "rare" ? What was the max number of units sold allowed, and still could be called "rare". Like, would less than 100 units be "rare", but 500 or more units would NOT be rare ? Who determines the standard ?

Another Pontiac example: Bruce Noland has a '69 T/A, clone or tribute. Only one I know of in class racing. Also running a RA4 engine. BUT, not a factory built combo. So, if that car wouldn't qualify for this thread, then most of the cars I mentioned wouldn't either. And I know almost nothing about most of the cars, especially not whether they came from the factory with the rare equipment, or not.

So, I suppose MOST of the cars I posted do NOT qualify for this thread.

My apologies to all who thought my posts were inappropriate !

Frank Castros · 11-10-2021, 08:02 PM

Dude, read the first post. That's the standard.
For me the Wenzel's Z/28 is THE standard.

4284spd · 11-10-2021, 08:18 PM

The whole purpose of this thread was for real, originally produced muscle cars with rare engine combo's from the factory. That's why I only posted real cars that I know the vins of, not cars that run that combo. In my opinion, mule car is not a rare car! I wouldn't include a BIW new CJ with a real one either.

Frank Castros · 11-10-2021, 09:30 PM

Oldskool,
What can you tell us about my favorite Poncho, Norm Warling's M/SA?

11-10-2021, 10:57 AM	#161
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,105 Times in 303 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced oldskool, I guess I got mixed up, it is Stephanie Pikes LeMans that is the sedan, Underhills car is indeed a hardtop. Considering I saw the car at a local Stock/SS race last month, I should have paid more attention ! I just assumed Pikes car was a T37, not being a Pontiac guy, I ASSumed that that was the only way to get the 455 in a non GTO, my mistake. Not sure what the best numbers for Underhills car is, but I have seen it go 10.5s a couple of times, and is usually near the top of the qualifying list whenever I have seen it run at Miramichi or Greenfield. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

11-10-2021, 11:30 AM	#162
Stan Weiss Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 795 Likes: 0 Liked 734 Times in 385 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced I see different people have different ideas as to what is a rare car being raced. I tend to think anything that was produced in numbers down around the 50 min that NHRA required or less is a rare car. Stan

11-10-2021, 02:40 PM	#164
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced Deleted Last edited by oldskool; 11-10-2021 at 07:33 PM.

11-10-2021, 03:30 PM	#166
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,986 Likes: 2,612 Liked 2,739 Times in 966 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced Oldskool, With all respect due to you as you bring much to this forum, I agree with Billy that this thread had been hijacked from it's original premise.

11-10-2021, 07:35 PM	#167
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced "...the original thought behind this thread was rare OEM cars (orig. RA2, 428 CJ) that are still being raced..." OK, going strictly by that, I have no way of knowing about EVERY Pontiac, which ones may have been "ORIGINAL" RA2, RA4, 455HO, SD455, or other rare cars. I've read that John Clegg bought his '73 SD455 Bird new. So, is that "rare" ? What was the max number of units sold allowed, and still could be called "rare". Like, would less than 100 units be "rare", but 500 or more units would NOT be rare ? Who determines the standard ? Another Pontiac example: Bruce Noland has a '69 T/A, clone or tribute. Only one I know of in class racing. Also running a RA4 engine. BUT, not a factory built combo. So, if that car wouldn't qualify for this thread, then most of the cars I mentioned wouldn't either. And I know almost nothing about most of the cars, especially not whether they came from the factory with the rare equipment, or not. So, I suppose MOST of the cars I posted do NOT qualify for this thread. My apologies to all who thought my posts were inappropriate !

11-10-2021, 08:02 PM	#168
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,986 Likes: 2,612 Liked 2,739 Times in 966 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced Dude, read the first post. That's the standard. For me the Wenzel's Z/28 is THE standard.

11-10-2021, 08:18 PM	#169
4284spd VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Longmont Colorado Posts: 1,709 Likes: 848 Liked 4,139 Times in 950 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced The whole purpose of this thread was for real, originally produced muscle cars with rare engine combo's from the factory. That's why I only posted real cars that I know the vins of, not cars that run that combo. In my opinion, mule car is not a rare car! I wouldn't include a BIW new CJ with a real one either. __________________ Bob Smith

11-10-2021, 09:30 PM	#170
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,986 Likes: 2,612 Liked 2,739 Times in 966 Posts	Re: Rare cars still being raced Oldskool, What can you tell us about my favorite Poncho, Norm Warling's M/SA?