Bring back super/mod...

[randy wilson]

No, automatics are ok with me, but you would absolutely have to give the 2 speed a weight brake. Not so concerned with the 3 speed high dollar autos, but in this situation, a 2 speed will be at a disadvantage to a clutch. Line locs fine with me.

[Dick Butler]

PG cars got 100 lb lighter car in Modified before didnt they? or was it more?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

PG cars got 100 lb lighter car in Modified before didnt they? or was it more?

This is the way the current rules read:

WEIGHT
Cars with fully automatic transmissions with converter may remove
up to 5 percent or 250 pounds, whichever is less, from regular class
weight; may be under posted minimum weight. Cars weighed with
driver; minimum weight includes driver.

[randy wilson]

But I think that's rated against a clutchless now, am I right?

[Dick Butler]

With all the support here and good ideas they are varied levels of motor cost and complexity. Should a poll be taken of most important factors for the cars? Cost, simplicity by sealing them, claimer heads ok, etc?

[randy wilson]

Dick, my vote has got to be claimer heads, with a $500 exchange. It's simple, and logical. Also, it doesn't take hard work out of the equation. Sealed, or claimer motors destroys all that. Also, heads is what keeps most out of comp. They change designs seems like weekly. Also, I think it's important to keep the visual performance parts to a minimal, as we've discussed. I think a spec tire, fuel, and possibly rear gear, as long as it's entertaining. I love the fact that brodix evened up the competition, to where no one can bitch. Also, things I've brought up would keep valve train cost affordable.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

With all the support here and good ideas they are varied levels of motor cost and complexity. Should a poll be taken of most important factors for the cars? Cost, simplicity by sealing them, claimer heads ok, etc?

Just like Randy said, let's start with a Spec cylinder head:

http://www.brodix.com/heads/spec.php

Then: no Titanium valves, no external oil pump, no sheet metal intake only cast intake, one single 750 CFM carb, no crank trigger, no external vacuum pump, any compression, limit tire width to 11.5", 358 CID max engine. Must maintain OEM cylinder bore spacing, OEM engine deck height and engine block must have a OEM part number.

I think this would maintain an even competition and keep costs down for the class.

[randy wilson]

I agree, but that would put cars in SS\AS. I have no problem with any of this, but I'm only one person.

[randy wilson]

Also, the OEM part number thing, probably would add cost to the engine. The SHP stuff from dart is cheaper. I'm so glad someone agrees on the brodix spec deal. Let's face it, they've had lots of years to work it out. And you know they would be on board big time.

[Michael Kilduff]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Just like Randy said, let's start with a Spec cylinder head:

http://www.brodix.com/heads/spec.php

Then: no Titanium valves, no external oil pump, no sheet metal intake only cast intake, one single 750 CFM carb, no crank trigger, no external vacuum pump, any compression, limit tire width to 11.5", 358 CID max engine. Must maintain OEM cylinder bore spacing, OEM engine deck height and engine block must have a OEM part number.

I think this would maintain an even competition and keep costs down for the class.

Excellent ideas.

I don't think giving weight breaks for automatics would be in the best interest of the class. I understand you need participation but the thing that would make a class like this unique-and popular-would be higher rpms and manual transmissions.

At our local tracks the only time a significant number of fans show up is for Pro Mod shows or when the Classic Gearjammers are in town.

I think a 50 lb weight reduction for pre 1973 cars would benfit the class as well.

I really doubt the NHRA would have any interest in such a class-look at how long it took them to bring Pro Mod into the program and they still treat those guys/girls like second rate citizens.

A class like this would certainly have to start at the grass roots level, and that won't be easy. If some people really want to do something like this I'm willing to help in any way possible-I'm in South East NC. I've got one car that could fit this bill, just tell me the rules before it gets to the chassis shop this winter.

And I gotta say I am very suprised Doyle Evans hasn't posted in this thread yet. I know he's reading it and has a '67 Vette just itching for a class like this
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