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Old 08-23-2012, 07:13 AM   #121
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John, I agree. The original idea was "simple, Cheap, entry level". A new class with many open modifications wont help. Sealed motor may be too simple, or basic for current racers but if getting new racers in SS, younger participants etc. got to be limited....
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:33 AM   #122
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I should have been more clear...
When I was referring to SS/CS, I should have said an approved cast iron head, However, like I expressed before, no external oil pumps, no crank trigger, no aluminum rods, no sheet metal intake and a single class with a specific pound to weight ratio.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:39 AM   #123
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OK, to address everyone so far. I don't expect to get my way on very many of these ideas. Let's put that out there first. Also, probably nothing will come of this, let's keep that in mind. And, the guy who won the $100 for quickest light at our track most of the time was Jerry Michaelis, with a 69 camaro, slapper bars, a 2 speed powerglide built by a local transmission guy for $500 dollars. So that pro car argument doesn't fly with me. I averaged between a .419, and a .439 out of six passes with an F bodied SS\CS car one night out of seven rounds. Most weekends I was between .460's and .420's. And we did not have the new LED lights. I think the drivers reaction should come into play. I realise I won't get my way, but that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Now, for national events, sure, Dick, the chassis should be relative to what's there already Dick may have unknowingly brought a possibility to this class coming to life. Start it as a superstock class, and see how it's receieved. And let people know, if enough interest, would be a class . But give them a realistic index, like they do for 300 other classes. I don't think that would be a bad idea. That would let them run. Also, that idea of no. 16 getting no. 1's heads, and so on, good idea. That would keep us all honest.
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:40 AM   #124
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One thing for all to remember is, if we don't turn enough r's, and pull the wheels, and have a lot of clutch and gear action, it will not fly. Also, you need all 3 makes involved. That's why I like the brodix spec head. They did all the homework for us.
Dead on. If the car is not a stick, no one is interested in watching.
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:54 PM   #125
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Randy , no I did realize the benefit of being a SS class. My comment was instead of asking NHRA for a class to run,(which is doubtful without first proving the concept) create cars to FIT a current class. THey might not be 1. under cars or .7 but if I want to run an NHRA points meet I could use the class index like everyone else and pray for no heads up with the all out car for the original class. Then if guys start moving into the class in numbers local tracks could feature them, we could ask for a heads up series IN THE POINTS meet down time. Then work towards NHRA acceptance of the GOALS and Class function to get new racers.
Mloboda- My daughters Trans brake 305 SS car will stand with the best of them IF I WANTED IT TO. We tied it down to Race it...
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:04 PM   #126
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I'm game for anything Dick. I'm not sold my ideas are the only ones. You have some good points. The reason I keep beating the brodix spec deal, is because they're cheaper, available, and proven. I think the $500 head exchange rule should be enforced, and it truly would take care of itself. Eliminate titanium valves, if racers want. I've turned 9600 on steel valves. Just to keep costs down. And run them in such as SS\CS, or similar. Works for me.
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:51 PM   #127
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To me SS/CS could be the perfect place What do you think they would run? Would they be under the index so they could race Points meets?Brodix heads would help make ALL three brands the same and everyone could run their favorite. Pan access holes? Stock Crank rods, What rocker system did you suggest? Any Intake and which carb 750 Anything?Solid cam or rollers?

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:22 PM   #128
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I suggest solid roller cam, because in the long run, are less cost. 750 legal carb, cast available to the public intake, no external work, steel, or aluminum rods, cost would be the same, any stroke to avoid teardowns, angle milling, and polishing combustion chamber, any valve job not to go lower then manufacturers cnc cut, no crank trigger, vac pump, or external oil pump, stock type pump only, no billet, maximum 2 inch carb spacer, no rubber spacers, plastic or aluminum only, no computers, or hook ups for computers, single disc clutch, min. 10 inch, no titanium drive line parts, or carbon fiber brakes, carbon fiber limited to the drive shaft, min. cubes, 286, because of the 3000 lb. weight min. in SS\CS, stud mounted rockers only, with the exception of mopar, I like 5 forward gears, because or the action, EVERY gear, clutch must be used Think of the cam companys that would get involved with that. I think with flat tops, we could see ten 0's maybe. Let me know what you think. You will be hard pressed to get 10 to 1 out of the brodix head, believe me. All could be checked with a snap-on scope, and the head exchange will eliminate any exotic work. Let me know what you think.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:29 PM   #129
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We could go so far as no knife edging on the crank, stock lifter size, stock cam diameter, and stock firing order, and steel pans only. All could be checked with an access hole in the pan.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:42 PM   #130
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Only Stick? Auto with Brake? No handicap? Line loc okay.what did they cost?
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