Bring back super/mod...

[Dick Butler]

Randy, Do you think there were really too many classes?SHould people actuallly try to fit the class instead of the classes fitting the people? Two CLass Max( one better)
Add wt, use FG or carbon fiber. With time it would happen if people started to support it.
Minimum wt,maximum Cubic inch or One cubic inch range?

[randy wilson]

In like the lower classes, were there two many? Yes, for NHRA, but you would have to know our area, and participants. In the upper classes, no. I think when you have an index of .01 per half lb. in the eighth, and .015 for quarter, it takes care of itself. We ran dragsters against superstockers, with a brodix spec head only in upper classes, and racing was extremely close. We were real loose on chassis limitations, and actually, the door cars won more then the pro stock type, or dragsters. But some of the superstock guys were close to NHRA standards in performance, so they knew what they were doing. We went in 1\2 lb. increments to fit everybody in. It was a survival mode, but it worked out good there. One 23T driver could make anything competitive, and he gave everyone fits. In the lower classes, they were limited to 200 CC heads, in 20 degree ford, 23 degree chevy, and 18 degree chrysler, iron only. No porting, except for hot stock.

[randy wilson]

But Dick, with all that being said, I like one wt. like 3000lbs. one motor size, like 330 or anything reasonable. It's just that on a local level, you have to diversify, on a divisional level, I think the head, cam, rocker arm, trans. and tire companys would eat this up. And, I'm sold about the pro tree, it's the best way to go. I do know that for a fact. It is possible, and like I said, the head companys could help police it, especially with the $500 protest, and exchange. Send the winner, and or, the fastest time recorded racer's head back to manufactorer, for verification. One time Dave Rodder from brodix was at the 360 nationals, and they had him look at a winners heads, and his comment was, "Ray Charles could see that head is illegal", and out he went.

[Tod Lane]

Originally Posted by Michael Kilduff

Sounds pretty good. A question though-

How do you prevent a couple or three guys from trading killer heads amongst themselves, or passing around a ringer of an engine? I know claimer rules exist in roundy rounders, just curious how they prevent such a phenomenon?

Simple, last qualifier gets first shot at the motor or heads, which ever you decide to make "claimer".

Right on up the ladder, next slowest gets second option

[V_Robinson]

Originally Posted by Tod Lane

Simple, last qualifier gets first shot at the motor or heads, which ever you decide to make "claimer".

Right on up the ladder, next slowest gets second option

When I used to race the dirt tracks, our whole cars were claimers. that could be bought by anyone that attended the race. I am not saying that the whole car should be for sale but letting other people that want to enter the class buy the heads would stop bogus heads

[Dick Butler]

Randy, Since it would be a start up class with NHRA and people would still want to run NHRA events in a legal form couldnt the specs make the cars legal for one of the Mod SS classes. They wouldnt be class winner but Points meets would still be legal and fun on the dial in end of it. Keep the chassis Legal rules and MAKE the motor combo allowed legal at the wt.? Then if guys support the class in numbers local or points meet races could be added for fun..

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Randy, Since it would be a start up class with NHRA and people would still want to run NHRA events in a legal form couldnt the specs make the cars legal for one of the Mod SS classes. They wouldnt be class winner but Points meets would still be legal and fun on the dial in end of it. Keep the chassis Legal rules and MAKE the motor combo allowed legal at the wt.? Then if guys support the class in numbers local or points meet races could be added for fun..

Why dial-in? Make it heads-up, no-dial in. A fair comparison will be a SS/CS car type, but with a designated specific approved cylinder head.

[Wade Mahaffey]

I don't like the 400 pro tree concept unless all cars are leaf spring and stock front suspension. A Super/Gas, 4-Link, strut type car could be worth .05-.10 in reaction time. The cars will look funny when they start putting 24 inch funny car goodyears on the front end to minimize roll out. You need to have the possibility of a red light start to bring the driver into play as well. The .500 full sportsman tree is the most fair with reguard to reaction time advantage. Also it places an additional chance for any race to go either way. If you allow an advantage that the car provides, and this advantage removes/reduces the drivers ability from the equation. This is the very thing that brought about delay boxes. If you run on anything other than a sportsman tree you will be allowing an advantage to the quicker reacting car, it's as simple as that. Talking about the cost going up...now you need a super/gas car, and then add 850 pounds to meet a 3000 pound minimum. A full tree there is no advantage for the quick reactiing car. When you make the car do something....it cost money. When you make the driver do something, it cost "0"

Wade Mahaffey

[Steve Stickel]

Todays ss/cs engine rules way too liberal as I read whats going on here.. More like a smallblock SS/H Or SS/I car with a smaller cam, say .500 or .550, non- sheetmetal intake, a spec carb, (600-750) etc. I believe a 9.00 weight break at min 3000lbs. (333cu in) would satisfy everybody, the Ford and Chrysler guys included...top out at a maximum of say 3300lbs at 367cu in ...

[John Leichtamer Jr]

You guys are taking this alittle to far. This was to be a deal
like it was in the old days with a less expensive engine.

No pro tree, no bull sh*^.
just keep it simple


Hammer