Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by Doug Blackley

Go to this thread: http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...enko+chevrolet

There is more than enough info including a picture of Yenko Chevrolets back lot with a whole pile of the 427 COPO cars all of which were factory built. The picture is funny in that they have those cars just lying around like an ordinary car lol.

Yeah, the 425 cars were actually pretty easy get. The dealer I worked at had 2 ZL-1's sitting on the lot and were available to anyone with $7,500.00

[Doug Blackley]

LOL the 100k stocker of it's day. But at least you could actually get off the showroom floor.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by JHeath

Sorry, you were right, I checked my facts. You've only posted six times in this thread that the new cars can't be registered at the DMV or don't have VINs or are factory built race cars or go against the premise of Stock Eliminator or are making old cars obsolete or whatever your argument is. I'm sure everybody understood you the first time.

If you don't hate these new cars, why are you wasting so much time writing up essays on how they don't deserve to be in Stock?

LOL So true Jerry, I am pretty sure he has been carrying on with this endless drivel for a year or longer. I think he was even quoted in an article on Competition Plus about a year ago covering the topic.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

LOL So true Jerry, I am pretty sure he has been carrying on with this endless drivel for a year or longer. I think he was even quoted in an article on Competition Plus about a year ago covering the topic.

Endless drivel? Really? Unlike you, I actually work on two cars for a customer who has to compete directly with the new cars. Competition Plus called me and did an interview.

The very best you have is childish name calling, you have nothing at all to add to the discussion. Mostly because you have nothing even remotely factual to back up anything you say. How helpful and mature you are.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

Actually Alan, there are quite a few of us that apparently are not normal.

Me, Ray Paquet, Ben Wenzel, Fred Henson, Richie Pauley, Doug Baker, Rusty Gillis, Steve Koppein, Steve and Horace Johnson, Jimmy Bridges are just a few off the top of my head.

Alex,

I think his point is that none of those mentioned went to Barret/Jackson last year and spent 100k on a fully restored COPO or Hemi and tore it doen to make a race car. Today a racer would buy a 6cyl car and turn it into a 427 or Hemi car to race. When all those guys bought their cars they weren't 100k cars. In 1977 I bought my Max Wedge ready to race for $2,100.00.....don't thing you can do that now.

JimR

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

Alex,

I think his point is that none of those mentioned went to Barret/Jackson last year and spent 100k on a fully restored COPO or Hemi and tore it doen to make a race car. Today a racer would buy a 6cyl car and turn it into a 427 or Hemi car to race. When all those guys bought their cars they weren't 100k cars. In 1977 I bought my Max Wedge ready to race for $2,100.00.....don't thing you can do that now.

JimR

Jim,
Alex knows what I meant. Alex and I trade barbs constantly, we were standing in the staging lanes poking fun at each other a couple of times last weekend at Bowling Green. Just like Jeff Tueton and I were. Jeff and I were standing behind the starting line and I told him his Super Stock car that Kevin Helms was driving sounded like a school bus with a vacuum leak. It's all in fun.

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by vic guilmino

the old cars stay home
can"t beat the new ones
why waste money

In the Stock Eliminator Final was a 2009 DP and a 2000 Chevy Z28 and it sure looks like the older cars can compete to me.

[NewHemi]

David Huff got it right, there was an "old car" in the final.

In fact as best I can tell, only one Challenger won stock eliminator at a Divisional, (Dodge Challenger 5.7 at Noble OK last year) and now only one Challenger has won Stock Eliminator at a National (Dodge Challenger 360 in Indy )...

So this year, except for Indy, all of the Divional winners, and all of the other Nationals winners were either Fords, or older cars.

Challengers are NOT a huge problem, and most racers (defined as people who actually compete on the track and not just whine and moan on the keyboard when they actually have no skin in the game......) have really never actually been beaten by a Challenger Drag Pak.

And apparently NOBODY has yet figured out that Supercharged cars have a dramatic advantage over naturally aspirated cars. And the Fords are the only one who run Supercharged cars.

And has anyone noticed that Challengers now run only A/SA, AA/SA and a middle class like F/SA, but the Fords are all over the place, up and down the classes...

Were the new cars factored correctly? No. But lots of cars in the past weren't either. So what really is the point?

Time to give the Challengers a break, and start bashing on FORD for a change.

David
TheNew Hemi Guy

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

David Huff got it right, there was an "old car" in the final.

In fact as best I can tell, only one Challenger won stock eliminator at a Divisional, (Dodge Challenger 5.7 at Noble OK last year) and now only one Challenger has won Stock Eliminator at a National (Dodge Challenger 360 in Indy )...

So this year, except for Indy, all of the Divional winners, and all of the other Nationals winners were either Fords, or older cars.

Challengers are NOT a huge problem, and most racers (defined as people who actually compete on the track and not just whine and moan on the keyboard when they actually have no skin in the game......) have really never actually been beaten by a Challenger Drag Pak.

And apparently NOBODY has yet figured out that Supercharged cars have a dramatic advantage over naturally aspirated cars. And the Fords are the only one who run Supercharged cars.

And has anyone noticed that Challengers now run only A/SA, AA/SA and a middle class like F/SA, but the Fords are all over the place, up and down the classes...

Were the new cars factored correctly? No. But lots of cars in the past weren't either. So what really is the point?

Time to give the Challengers a break, and start bashing on FORD for a change.

David
TheNew Hemi Guy

David, so you don't like racing against the Mustangs and their superchargers. Most of us think there's not much difference racing against the Challengers or the Mustangs. You either get out run by 5 tenths or 7 tenths. Why don't you do something constructive that would benefit everyone and lobby for FX classes for the new cars. AA through D with AA reserved for blown cars.

[chris3racing]

I have read all of the replies to this post from the beginning and know that I will be blasted for my opinion and comments but here goes. First my name is Mike and I have been involved in NHRA, AHRA, IHRA racing since 1960. I have built, crewed on and raced a car in almost every older class of drag racing except fuel funny car, which I wish I had done. So I think I have earned the right to express my opinion.

I have been working, looking at the rules and talking with current stock and superstock racers to re-create a 68 camaro for stock or superstock. If I followed the rules for stock and superstock in 1969 for this car I would have about as much chance of being competitive as trying to apply and get a license to drive a top fuel funny car today. The 1968 and 1969 cars in stock and superstock today are nothing like they were in those days. The use of all of the aftermarket heads, camshafts, transmissions is nothing like what you could have run in those days. If I put a cut gear muncie four speed in a car, built today, I would be only for fun. This story has come full circle with all of the yelling and complaining about Chrysler and Ford cars not being right. I remember the Hemi and he Thunderbolt. When I started building my current Duster, use to race only chevy back in the day, I started learning a lot about why you could not out run those cars. The factory, even in those days, had so many people running as "team cars" and research car and if you designed something that worked on your car and you were winning the next race every "team car" had the same thing. The first Ford thunderbolt was built on the third floor of a building in Detroit that only select people had access to. Chrysler and Ford only had one thing on their mind and that was they did not care who won as long as the car in the winners circle was theirs.

There are so many compaints about how "bracket racing" has "Killed" class racing. Class racing today is "bracket racing." A man goes out and runs his car wide open to the quarter mile mark and everyone just goes crazy "The man is just killing the class'. Do you not think that the spectators can hear a man lift off of his car at the 1000 foot mark and go the last 320 feet either standing on the brakes or being on and off of the accelerator. During the running of Stock and Superstock the announcer, for NHRA, on NHRA Autocast made a comment about the cars "racing to the 1,000 foot mark." The end of the race track, according to the rules is still 1,320 feet.

Mr. Herb McCandless was the guest commentator for the"Hemi Shoot Out" and was broad cast on NHRA Autocast. Let me tell you I was working in the shop building a new motor and enjoyed the commentary during that event better than almost anything I saw or heard broad cast during the week-end. Herb you did a super job and sounded like you had a lot of fun. Herb commented that many of the cars received in those days came to them in boxes. Now does anyone on here who knows Herb McCandless really think that he was on the brakes or on and off of the throttle when he ran 9.981 to Arlen Vanke's 9.983 to win the 1970 US Nationals at Indy. "Mr. 4-Speed" did what his sponsors expected him to do and that was to give the spectators a show and win the race. It's too bad that NHRA could not have video the Hemi Shoot-Out and recorded you guys doing the commentary, especially the conversation you guys had after the race, I believe third round, when you were comparing old Pro Stock Cars to modern day Pro Stock cars.