2011 ahfs

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

Mike. If I'm reading this right, does this mean that if a Cavalier or Cobalt running a particular combination in SS/GT, that is also being run in a GT Camaro or Firebird, triggers and gets hp, that ONLY the Cavalier or Cobalt gets that hp, not the Camaro or Firebird???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the way I read it!

Horsepower changes for a GT engine does not matter what body it is used in.

Horsepower changes that effect certain bodies is only for Stock and regular S/S.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

[X-TECH MAN]

My post was not that far off the intent of the original thread. It has a lot to do with WHY the AHFS and other rules have changed over the years. True a lot do not cheat or "fudge" the rules as they say (in stock) but some do and it makes it hard for the guy on a budget and trying to do things the right way. Some will do ANYTHING to keep up with the ones who do run fast. Ive seen a lot of this stuff over the years and also know some shops and racers that do it still and get away with it. I have seen it in tear down myself and sadly wasnt allowed to drop the hammer on certain cars due to politics. The fast ones who are not doing anything "Funny" are just lucky to have a combo that is rated....shall we say....better than others. If you dont believe any of it then I have some waterfront property in Arazona for sale a a good price. Believe what you want.
As far as your post below......It just part of racing. Live with it.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

Mike. If I'm reading this right, does this mean that if a Cavalier or Cobalt running a particular combination in SS/GT, that is also being run in a GT Camaro or Firebird, triggers and gets hp, that ONLY the Cavalier or Cobalt gets that hp, not the Camaro or Firebird???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the way I read it!

Dude, you got my hopes up that they might have fixed the most unfair part of SS/GT. Why address a Clear advantage a FWD conversion has over a Traditional RWD car when we have all these bogus combo's that will have a 0.3-0.5 advantage and the FWD only has like 0.05-0.08 over a RWD? I guess it might be to hard to say FWD conversions add 2.5% to your HP. Flame away

[art leong]

Originally Posted by A56

I think a few people are getting off the subject here, or getting away from the root of the problem that were gonna have once this new rule is implimented. Exactly why I dont ever post, and this is the first subject and probably the last ill ever get on a forum for as ive got work to do, but this situation is real important to me. There are always two sides to the coin, many many differnet opinions, those people that know me know that I dislike conflict, and im truly sorry if I will make anyone angry at me. I know that some might take this as an insult as I need to express this as I would to my 10 year old daughter.

WE WILL NEVER EVER BE ABLE TO RUN OUR CARS ALL OUT AGAIN !!!

WHEN I GET HP YOU WILL TOO !! LOTS !!

WHEN ANOTHER GUY IN YOUR CLASS WITH A FAST CAR GETS HP, YOU WILL GET IT TOO !! LOTS !!

AT ALTITUDE TRACKS ON MONDAY THERE WILL BE CLASSES GETTING HP !!

AT TRACKS WITH GOOD AIR THE TOP HALF OF THE FIELD WILL LOOK LIKE FOOLS TRYING TO SLOW THERE CARS DOWN !!

WHEN WE GET HP FOR YOUR COMBO YOU WILL BE VERY ANGRY AT US !!

CLASS ELIMINATIONS WILL BECOME A JOKE !!

If the above is acceptabe to you Stock / Super Stock racers that arent capable of looking into the future and seeing this is a bad idea so be it, as I said there are many sides to the coin. But I myself, and I see many others are not in agreeance and im gonna at least speak my mind. I dont feel that talking about how people use modified heads, soft combos, ect ect are even relevant here. Believe it or not we dont all cheat, and many of us have been thru teardown and had no issues. Some racers choose soft combos as its an easier, more cost effective way to build a faster race car. All of us have that same choice. But should us racers at the top half of the ladder pay the consequences for the racers that dont have time to flog there combos as we do, or have the extra money to buy the best parts as we have. Again, I dont feel any of this is relevant to the new AHFS proposed rule. I think we all need to look at the big picture and realize the bold thing I said above. Stock / Super Stock is a performance based class, by making this change the performance based part will be gone

Mark Lelchook
E/SA # 704

Mark I agree 100%
If this goes through With in 5 years all will be racing brackets 1 through 5 .
No tear downs no record keeping. It will be a win win for NHRA Because they will have plenty of "can't build a fast car" strokes to show up and brag to their friends and family about how fast they are. Especially when there is nobody to compare them with. I see it all the time on the Neons.org site. "who has the fastest neon" that runs street tires, or runs pump gas, or only run 10 psi boost etc. etc.
In the long run this is going to get to everyone.
At this point I'm sorry I even built my car. I built my car to go fast within class rules now if I do go 1.50 under I get the index whacked almost half a second Thats B S
Any one want to buy a neon that can fly.

[Bob Pagano]

Mark You are also right, what is really happening is nhra is pushing Stock farther and farther away from its intent, gone are all the things we thought made it what we wanted when we all started to race. Inch by inch rule by rule its been cut up and given away. They dont want tech and tare downs. We will be pushed into SS soon enough, the new cars are already there. This ahfs do over is the beginning of the end for Stock as a performance class. No one even cares enough to see it for what it is.

Thaks Art, you beat me to the button, your right on

[Craig Couris]

If Ford & Chrysler had any sense at all, they would demand that the new cars are put into new FX classes before the entire Eliminator ceases to exist. When this happens, who will their customers be?

[Bob Pagano]

Mark all we can do is continue to yell and hope someone is enlightened.
Craig you have a foot in both cars and you can see what is needed, why are others so blind ?

[Angelo DiTocco]

Let me throw this out there................

what if heads-up runs were eliminated from competition

would it be preferable to having to slowing your stuff down?

all the time, money, R&D, pride..... to slow the car down??
I would like to be able to go fast - work on my car - and then try to go faster -

There are difinitely more heads ups in stock than SS but really what percentage of
eliminations are heads up runs. It has to be a very small percentage.
What's the point in dying on the hill over this crap.

A prominant & extremely accomplished A/S racer suggested this 10 years ago.
I'm not going to say his name because he probably wants no part of this.

Eliminating heads up runs would allow everyone the opportunity to do their very best
to approach this the way it is most meaningful to them while hurting and discriminating against no one.
Look at Top Sportsman - gaining in popularity and gaining in acceptance and definitely welcomed with red carpet treatment by NHRA - 7 second 200mph cars 1000hp etc and they are dialing in and no one gives it a second thought.

Please - don't bring up class elims issue on this one - I don't give a crap about class elims anymore because its been reduced (w/ the exception of Indy) to a sporadic side show dominted by single runs.... and sometimes fastest qualifier when it gets thrown to the side due to schedule issues.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by art leong

If this goes through With in 5 years all will be racing brackets 1 through 5

Hey Artie, wake up! There is only one nail left to drive and the coffin is sealed!
"No more heads-up runs in eliminations!"

[Andys dad]

Should you just keep spending money and working harder to go faster and faster?

Is .90 under? (use to be 1.20 under) enough?

In some cases you may not be able to be the fastest in your class - then what?

Is having the fastest car the most important thing?

I guess I will have to calculate how many "heads up" rounds there were this year counting all National and Divisional events. (Nitro Joe can you help here?)

Seems to me - most of the guys who win a lot - do not have the fastest car in their class..

:-) peace