Crate Motor Class - Page 3

Real Racer · 01-10-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

Lynn
Sure why not,
Crate motor guys go to tear down at times

When? IHRA never tears anyone down. Not in the last 5 years that I seen.

Start tearing some of those things down and watch them slow down.

tpoh815 · 01-10-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Racer

When? IHRA never tears anyone down. Not in the last 5 years that I seen.

Start tearing some of those things down and watch them slow down.

I dont care what H R A you run. If your going .5 under or more its expensive and your cheating somewhere period.

X-TECH MAN · 01-10-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tpoh815

I dont care what H R A you run. If your going .5 under or more its expensive and your cheating somewhere period.

Its more like 7-8 under. Ive built several over the years for a local crate motored racer and they all run 7+ under. Thats WITHOUT any funny tricks or streaching the rules. Your correct though.....Unless they have a soft index or are underrated I would guess that any quicker than 8+ or so under have some bogus stuff someplace. Your always going to have some a little quicker because they test, work, and spend BIG MONEY on thier car but this 1.2 and 1.4 under dosent impress me or anyone in the know. Thats dicounting "mine shaft air".

Dick Butler · 01-10-2009, 10:15 AM

Curious why there needs to be a Crate Class group. Since every year a new bogus motor is found in the Chevrolet book (as far as factoring) or a new paper Ford, or a Chrysler Nascar version never seen but documented , why wouldnt people be asking to just use a Spec (Crate)motor in regular classes of SS or GT? If it is factored and has specs and could be teched they might be a cheaper "next year motor" when people upgrade or rebuild.
To me the issue of continual "finds" which are underfactored because of inadequate insight from Tech department IS the issue in many of the discussions. Yes I know the "finds" were in the books but..... The problem they cause is an issue, currently the machining rules are the new issue.
Knowing how poorly factoring is handled it would be a bad idea.
Problem is tech bends very far to get every potential entrant happy and paying for the right to compete while actually upsetting 99% of those who have cars, paid and raced last season.
"IMPORTANT" Racers upset but still attending and paying doesnt affect the bottom line. The Economic conditions WILL affect the business but as long as they are the rule makers, changing rule positions will be the norm and upset will continue.
My bet is the new factory hot rods will have an extremely favorable rating to "bait people" to build and enter them.

bsa633 · 01-10-2009, 10:47 AM

Dick...No one wants "spec motors " .. 70-80% would probably leave the class in a minute...why wont you give it a rest!

Bruce Noland · 01-10-2009, 11:25 AM

I'm sorry Dick but none of this stuff is going to fly. It's a fun thread, but that is all it is. I know you love talking this stuff but talk is all it will ever amount to.

Michael, You have to be honest about IHRA tear downs. You race more IHRA races than any one, and do very well, so logic would dictate that you may be torn down once in awhile. I love IHRA but it has been pretty much run what you brung with them for years.

Alan Roehrich · 01-10-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tpoh815

I dont care what H R A you run. If your going .5 under or more its expensive and your cheating somewhere period.

BULL! There is NOTHING cheated up about either of the Camaros we run.

X-TECH MAN · 01-10-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Racer

When? IHRA never tears anyone down. Not in the last 5 years that I seen.

Start tearing some of those things down and watch them slow down.

I retired almost 8 (EIGHT)years ago from my job and the thankless rat race of tech. I tried to inspect at least 5 cars at each national event but there was not always TIME. Same as NHRA. Most of the time it was just me or myself and Duane Eiskant Sr. The other guys in tech wanted to or to lean but most of the time its the same problem as NHRA......NOT ENOUGH MAN POWER to do the job. Tracks complained about all of the extra bodies that IHRA brought in to run the scales, fuel check, tech, and drafted most of us to check the track after each pair of Pros ran, scrape the track, pair cars, clean the s##t house or any other job that the premadonnas didnt want to do. I dont know who all is there now but Danny Waters and Hank Blankenship are dedicated and try to as good a job as they can. Some of the tech crew only want to play and kiss *** with the Pro guys. If I was back there (Im to OLD now and dont see it happening) and had the "say so" a lot would not pass teardown. Im off my soap box now. Have a nice day.

Michael Beard · 01-10-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Racer

When? IHRA never tears anyone down. Not in the last 5 years that I seen.

Start tearing some of those things down and watch them slow down.

Excuse me, both my car and Terry Knott's car when I drove for him have been apart several times.

Re: "glorified bracket race"... yes, it is... and it's the "glorified" part that makes it special! I am a bracket racer. I *like* class racing, whether it be class runoffs, heads-up runs in eliminations, qualifying, etc. FWIW, I wouldn't have a problem with full pound weight breaks and combining sticks & autos in a large number of areas, which would generate more heads-up runs... which I find totally ironic: a bracket racer accepting such ideas when so many die-hard Stock racers are vehemently against them. I take a broad view of the sport, and consider a lot of things that I think might be better for the sport as a whole, and not things that just benefit "me". But, that's all just my personal opinion, and no one else's.

Dave - Brandon's okay! He may drive a Ford, but he works at a Dodge dealer.

Stocker 2 · 01-08-2009, 06:11 PM

One of the reasons NHRA stock racers do not like Crate Motor class is the engines used are not Crate Motors. If Crate Motors were actually used the factorys would be pressuring NHRA to have the classes in Stock. Chrysler was ready to back the deal until it came to light that racers were not using Crate Motors bought from the dealer. Racers were buying a pair of heads and making the Crate Motors themselves.

Chad has it right. Bracket racers buy Crate Motors from the dealer, put them in their bracket cars and actually race them. If IHRA stock racers had done what was intended by when the class was started there would be factory sponsorship.

So now NHRA should mold counterfeit Crate Motors into their successful Stock Eliminator. I don't think so.

01-10-2009, 10:15 AM	#4
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class Curious why there needs to be a Crate Class group. Since every year a new bogus motor is found in the Chevrolet book (as far as factoring) or a new paper Ford, or a Chrysler Nascar version never seen but documented , why wouldnt people be asking to just use a Spec (Crate)motor in regular classes of SS or GT? If it is factored and has specs and could be teched they might be a cheaper "next year motor" when people upgrade or rebuild. To me the issue of continual "finds" which are underfactored because of inadequate insight from Tech department IS the issue in many of the discussions. Yes I know the "finds" were in the books but..... The problem they cause is an issue, currently the machining rules are the new issue. Knowing how poorly factoring is handled it would be a bad idea. Problem is tech bends very far to get every potential entrant happy and paying for the right to compete while actually upsetting 99% of those who have cars, paid and raced last season. "IMPORTANT" Racers upset but still attending and paying doesnt affect the bottom line. The Economic conditions WILL affect the business but as long as they are the rule makers, changing rule positions will be the norm and upset will continue. My bet is the new factory hot rods will have an extremely favorable rating to "bait people" to build and enter them. Last edited by Dick Butler; 01-10-2009 at 10:33 AM.

01-10-2009, 10:47 AM	#5
bsa633 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 310 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class Dick...No one wants "spec motors " .. 70-80% would probably leave the class in a minute...why wont you give it a rest!

01-10-2009, 11:25 AM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class I'm sorry Dick but none of this stuff is going to fly. It's a fun thread, but that is all it is. I know you love talking this stuff but talk is all it will ever amount to. Michael, You have to be honest about IHRA tear downs. You race more IHRA races than any one, and do very well, so logic would dictate that you may be torn down once in awhile. I love IHRA but it has been pretty much run what you brung with them for years. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-08-2009, 06:11 PM	#10
Stocker 2 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Crate Motor Class One of the reasons NHRA stock racers do not like Crate Motor class is the engines used are not Crate Motors. If Crate Motors were actually used the factorys would be pressuring NHRA to have the classes in Stock. Chrysler was ready to back the deal until it came to light that racers were not using Crate Motors bought from the dealer. Racers were buying a pair of heads and making the Crate Motors themselves. Chad has it right. Bracket racers buy Crate Motors from the dealer, put them in their bracket cars and actually race them. If IHRA stock racers had done what was intended by when the class was started there would be factory sponsorship. So now NHRA should mold counterfeit Crate Motors into their successful Stock Eliminator. I don't think so.