Runner Volumes

Dick Butler · 01-07-2009, 03:07 PM

Alan, I understand the feelings about the Crate motors because it loses the "flavor" of class racing.
The alternative is dont us the term and wait for all cars to get there over another X years with bogus specs of every kind and opinions for decisions instead of Numbers or specs.If it were a move to SIMPLIFY the spec choices and searchs and specs to enforce that was my view.
Ed, Diversity is a neat deal in Class racing. Can it be racings worst enemy? maybe. Too many specs in the books and too few enforcers and tech abilities to keep it working. Soon laxity and lack of enforcement and overruling decisions become the norm.

Ed Fernandez · 01-07-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Alan, I understand the feelings about the Crate motors because it loses the "flavor" of class racing.
The alternative is dont us the term and wait for all cars to get there over another X years with bogus specs of every kind and opinions for decisions instead of Numbers or specs.If it were a move to SIMPLIFY the spec choices and searchs and specs to enforce that was my view.
Ed, Diversity is a neat deal in Class racing. Can it be racings worst enemy? maybe. Too many specs in the books and too few enforcers and tech abilities to keep it working. Soon laxity and lack of enforcement and overruling decisions become the norm.

Dick;
The real reasons are
1) Lazy IDGAS leadership in Glendora
2) A small % of racers that will do anything at any cost to go faster and or win races
3) Our wonderful Nat'l tech director
4) GG (glendora greed).Ever seen the salaries these bums pull down?If it was a public owned corp. they would have been out on their asses a long time ago.
I have more,but maybe others can add to the list,it's far from complete.

Ed F.
Dick you were doing well for a while but you seem to be going over the edge again.Get back on those meds.

Dick Butler · 01-07-2009, 04:10 PM

Ed , No meds, I get light headed standing on the Soap Box, too little O2. I'll rest a while and recover.. Thanks. Back to politics.....

Ed Fernandez · 01-07-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Ed , No meds, I get light headed standing on the Soap Box, too little O2. I'll rest a while and recover.. Thanks. Back to politics.....

How many steps to the top?I thought you would add to the list.

Ed

Jack McCarthy · 01-08-2009, 12:39 PM

dick,

get off the soapbox and back into a race car...maybe it will refocus your thinking

we think top stock is cool, FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO PLAY... not everyone does.

and furthermore i dont need you are anyone else to tell me what i should race and what the rules should be... if i chose to race and "obscure combo" in your words i should be run out of stock eliminator.

bob shaw has forgot more about what stock eliminator means than you may have ever known.

jack mccarthy

p.s. i thought this thread was about those cheating bogus cave sized stocker heads that are gonna be $5000 weight box material ??????????????

Dick Butler · 01-08-2009, 03:08 PM

Jack, Thanks you are correct. The thread Is about the$ 5000. door stops. No planning for the future and no end to the door stops. Just more and more expensive replacements and frustrations.
No intent to tell ANYONE how to race or WHAT to race or what to call racing their cars. Too much fun just frustrating as seen today.

Ken Haase · 01-08-2009, 09:27 PM

This is probably an ignorant question, but, why do all the stocker heads that fail to pass tech become $5000.00 door stops and ballast. Are door stops really in that short of supply and the demand is so great that they bring $5000.00 on the open market. Or is Bernie Madoff the only wholesale outlet for them?

Now I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but if I had a set of 'large capacity' cylinder heads, I'd probably list them on Class Racer and hope that a Super Stock racer bought them. After all, isn't the supply of OEM heads finite? And don't forget, those dad-gum collectors are gobblin' them all up!

01-07-2009, 03:07 PM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Runner Volumes Alan, I understand the feelings about the Crate motors because it loses the "flavor" of class racing. The alternative is dont us the term and wait for all cars to get there over another X years with bogus specs of every kind and opinions for decisions instead of Numbers or specs.If it were a move to SIMPLIFY the spec choices and searchs and specs to enforce that was my view. Ed, Diversity is a neat deal in Class racing. Can it be racings worst enemy? maybe. Too many specs in the books and too few enforcers and tech abilities to keep it working. Soon laxity and lack of enforcement and overruling decisions become the norm.

01-07-2009, 04:10 PM	#3
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Runner Volumes Ed , No meds, I get light headed standing on the Soap Box, too little O2. I'll rest a while and recover.. Thanks. Back to politics.....

01-08-2009, 12:39 PM	#5
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Runner Volumes dick, get off the soapbox and back into a race car...maybe it will refocus your thinking we think top stock is cool, FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO PLAY... not everyone does. and furthermore i dont need you are anyone else to tell me what i should race and what the rules should be... if i chose to race and "obscure combo" in your words i should be run out of stock eliminator. bob shaw has forgot more about what stock eliminator means than you may have ever known. jack mccarthy p.s. i thought this thread was about those cheating bogus cave sized stocker heads that are gonna be $5000 weight box material ?????????????? __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

01-08-2009, 03:08 PM	#6
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Runner Volumes Jack, Thanks you are correct. The thread Is about the$ 5000. door stops. No planning for the future and no end to the door stops. Just more and more expensive replacements and frustrations. No intent to tell ANYONE how to race or WHAT to race or what to call racing their cars. Too much fun just frustrating as seen today.

01-08-2009, 09:27 PM	#7
Ken Haase Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 233 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Runner Volumes This is probably an ignorant question, but, why do all the stocker heads that fail to pass tech become $5000.00 door stops and ballast. Are door stops really in that short of supply and the demand is so great that they bring $5000.00 on the open market. Or is Bernie Madoff the only wholesale outlet for them? Now I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but if I had a set of 'large capacity' cylinder heads, I'd probably list them on Class Racer and hope that a Super Stock racer bought them. After all, isn't the supply of OEM heads finite? And don't forget, those dad-gum collectors are gobblin' them all up!