True Class War: Pros, Cons, and Why

Ed Fernandez · 08-18-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Conway Witten

There are exceptions to every thing in life, So!!!! What have you raced? Have you ever had your combination banned by a sanctioning body before? What have you raced? ED? Have you ever worked 16 hours a day 7 days a week on race cars? How many days have you ever gone without sleep working on your race car? I'm sure you have a response.

You really dont want to get me started.But in the scheme of things in REAL life us drag racers are mearly
a pimple on a mosquitos balls.

Ed F

Where's Ed Obrien when I need him?.

Aaron Keown · 08-18-2008, 01:52 AM

On a side note,has anyone seen or heard about the 50 new cobrajet mustangs ford is building for A/S,they are supposed to have a supercharged 5.4 rated at 400 hp and weigh 3300 lbs.I agree about all muscle cars being legal for competition also.Can you imagine a shelby cobra in SS/A.

Stephen & Horace Johnson · 08-18-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Keown

On a side note,has anyone seen or heard about the 50 new cobrajet mustangs ford is building for A/S,they are supposed to have a supercharged 5.4 rated at 400 hp and weigh 3300 lbs.I agree about all muscle cars being legal for competition also.Can you imagine a shelby cobra in SS/A.

There is one thats goin to be in SS/A, ever heard of Evan Smith??? He should be done with his car by the end of the year and debut next year

Superfan1 · 08-18-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen & Horace Johnson

There is one thats goin to be in SS/A, ever heard of Evan Smith??? He should be done with his car by the end of the year and debut next year

Stephen and Horace, with all due respect to you as Super Stock racers, when I spoke to Evan at E-town; he said that the car would be ready for the Dutch Classic in late Oct., and that it would be SS/B car as originally reported. I realize that plans can change, if thay have, please advise. As a diehard Ford fan since 1962, I can hardly wait to see this car run.
PS - I am going to Indy and I also can't wait to see Paul Adams and Ray Pacquet with their T-bolts put a hurting on Ralph Porpora and Jimmy Bridges in SS/B.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

Bob Rice · 08-18-2008, 01:47 PM

Sure would be nice to see John Armstrong put a Jerico in his Corvette and run SS/B.
Bob Rice

Conway Witten · 08-18-2008, 09:24 PM

ED......
Let's get you "started" I am sure that you have a lot to say. I ported the heads on both Scotty Wilcox's and Tony Rhodes Corvette's. I made Jim Defrank sell his HEMIs in the 80's and build Chevrolets then he bought me a car to race. I'm sure that you have more insight than any body on this forum. I wished I could have known a "sage" like you when I was racing. Beating people like David Nickens, John Lingenfelter, Craig Liberty and Ron Kriser would have been easier with a "Head" like you.
By the way what is that thing that you have a picture of on your identity, I can't tell, it kind of looks kind of like the car off the Chevy Chase "Vaction" movies? I want to know something, how many of that car did they build? It don't look legal to me? Was it built as a race only or just a show car that was made into a race car by you?

Ed Fernandez · 08-18-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Conway Witten

ED......
Let's get you "started" I am sure that you have a lot to say. I ported the heads on both Scotty Wilcox's and Tony Rhodes Corvette's. I made Jim Defrank sell his HEMIs in the 80's and build Chevrolets then he bought me a car to race. I'm sure that you have more insight than any body on this forum. I wished I could have known a "sage" like you when I was racing. Beating people like David Nickens, John Lingenfelter, Craig Liberty and Ron Kriser would have been easier with a "Head" like you.
By the way what is that thing that you have a picture of on your identity, I can't tell, it kind of looks kind of like the car off the Chevy Chase "Vaction" movies? I want to know something, how many of that car did they build? It don't look legal to me? Was it built as a race only or just a show car that was made into a race car by you?

Well you asked for it now I'll reply.I think you had better lay off the Kentucky moonshine you're obviously are downing.All I said in my first post was that all the hemi cars didn't go to high rollers.
I made no reference to anyone in perticular.
As far as my car goes it's a 1977 AMCremlin that has held the R/SA record and currently the T/SA record.That's the Wally on the hood for my win at Atco LODRS in 2006.It says "Powered by Social Security" on the hood.I've had a 2 digit # in NHRA Div. # and currently a 2 digit IHRA #.
Admiditly this year I'm biting the bird,but there's always next year.
Go back and read my post and enlighten me on what made you raid the jug in the barn.
you also seem to be a prolific name dropper. Ed F.

Seeing that you probably are as old as I am or maybe older I strongly suggest you go have a stress test and maybe take an anger management course.

Larry Hill · 08-18-2008, 11:42 PM

Conway has the Pete Maravich philosophy " It ain't bragging if you can back it up."

Ed Fernandez · 08-18-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Conway has the Pete Maravich philosophy " It ain't bragging if you can back it up."

Larry;
I think a course in reading comrpehension would go a long way.

Ed

Conway Witten · 08-19-2008, 09:24 PM

Ed....
See how you are now? I said those things to provoke you into seeing how "you" east coast people see us. I will compare pedigrees with you or anybody any time, I am college educated and I have brushed my 3 teeth this week.
In 1975 Bernie Agaman and Claude Urvig ran corvettes out of Ralph Truppi's shop. Bernie had a LS-6 71 Corvette and Claude had a 70 LS-7 Corvette that ran SS/BA. The whole time Claude ran NOTHING was said about a 70 Corvette being legal. He set the record and won class and I''m sure out ran his share of HEMIs. So in 1985 I thought I could do the same thing, after all it had been legal for 15 years at the time, right? But I instantly went fast and beat all of the SS/BAs in class at the US nationals the second time I ran it. Of course nobody knew that I had been on Lingenfelter's dyno, and I knew before it ran it had the power to run fast.
In November I went and set the record in Suffolk VA and by the time Gainesville came around I had already researched running AA with a ZR-2 light weight road race option. I won class and out ran all of the AAs too. The next thing I knew, was all of this banning stuff being told to me, but it had been legal for 15 years, I bled. Chevrolet didn't make enough of them I was told. I thought it was OK for Claude to run one out of Truppi's shop why not me? It was because of where I lived and it made me feel the way that I made you feel.
So that is why it was and still is a very sore subject for me.

View Poll Results: Could a class war in Super Stock be re-established?
Yes, with the right committe in place	53	49.07%
No, not worth the work or whining	18	16.67%
Things should stay as they are and all hope is lost for a SS/AA class war to work	10	9.26%
I could care less	27	25.00%
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08-18-2008, 01:52 AM	#2
Aaron Keown Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 1710 Dutch Lane,Jeffersonville,IN Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: True Class War: Pros, Cons, and Why On a side note,has anyone seen or heard about the 50 new cobrajet mustangs ford is building for A/S,they are supposed to have a supercharged 5.4 rated at 400 hp and weigh 3300 lbs.I agree about all muscle cars being legal for competition also.Can you imagine a shelby cobra in SS/A.

08-18-2008, 01:47 PM	#5
Bob Rice Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 617 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: True Class War: Pros, Cons, and Why Sure would be nice to see John Armstrong put a Jerico in his Corvette and run SS/B. Bob Rice

08-18-2008, 09:24 PM	#6
Conway Witten Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shelbyville, KY Posts: 108 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: True Class War: Pros, Cons, and Why ED...... Let's get you "started" I am sure that you have a lot to say. I ported the heads on both Scotty Wilcox's and Tony Rhodes Corvette's. I made Jim Defrank sell his HEMIs in the 80's and build Chevrolets then he bought me a car to race. I'm sure that you have more insight than any body on this forum. I wished I could have known a "sage" like you when I was racing. Beating people like David Nickens, John Lingenfelter, Craig Liberty and Ron Kriser would have been easier with a "Head" like you. By the way what is that thing that you have a picture of on your identity, I can't tell, it kind of looks kind of like the car off the Chevy Chase "Vaction" movies? I want to know something, how many of that car did they build? It don't look legal to me? Was it built as a race only or just a show car that was made into a race car by you?

08-18-2008, 11:42 PM	#8
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08-19-2008, 09:24 PM	#10
Conway Witten Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shelbyville, KY Posts: 108 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: True Class War: Pros, Cons, and Why Ed.... See how you are now? I said those things to provoke you into seeing how "you" east coast people see us. I will compare pedigrees with you or anybody any time, I am college educated and I have brushed my 3 teeth this week. In 1975 Bernie Agaman and Claude Urvig ran corvettes out of Ralph Truppi's shop. Bernie had a LS-6 71 Corvette and Claude had a 70 LS-7 Corvette that ran SS/BA. The whole time Claude ran NOTHING was said about a 70 Corvette being legal. He set the record and won class and I''m sure out ran his share of HEMIs. So in 1985 I thought I could do the same thing, after all it had been legal for 15 years at the time, right? But I instantly went fast and beat all of the SS/BAs in class at the US nationals the second time I ran it. Of course nobody knew that I had been on Lingenfelter's dyno, and I knew before it ran it had the power to run fast. In November I went and set the record in Suffolk VA and by the time Gainesville came around I had already researched running AA with a ZR-2 light weight road race option. I won class and out ran all of the AAs too. The next thing I knew, was all of this banning stuff being told to me, but it had been legal for 15 years, I bled. Chevrolet didn't make enough of them I was told. I thought it was OK for Claude to run one out of Truppi's shop why not me? It was because of where I lived and it made me feel the way that I made you feel. So that is why it was and still is a very sore subject for me.