1968 U.S. Nationals

DeuceCoupe · 09-29-2021, 02:01 PM

This says the Knieper car was a RamAir1

https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/6...holder.144313/

To stay over W/P=9.50 it has to be either an unfactored RA1 at 325hp (LOL) or factored to maybe 340hp but no higher, even adding weight for the T400 trans which is not in today's class guide.

Per what Dwight Southerland said, at least by late 1968 the RA1 Firebird was factored to the GTO's 360hp so maybe this was before that time.

I guess there's no way to externally tell a 67 RA Firebird from a non-RA?
So Heath is still a question.

oldskool · 09-29-2021, 06:09 PM

"...I guess there's no way to externally tell a 67 RA Firebird from a non-RA?...

I assume the scoops would have to be open, on the RA car, but sealed off on a non-RA car ?

I have some pics of Randi Lyn Shipp's '67 Stocker which APPEAR to show black holes, possibly indicating that the scoops were open. Another pic shows 'em closed & painted white. The past couple of years or so, the scoops appear closed & painted light blue.

I suppose with the current weight changes allowed, you could still run 3 different classes with it, opened or closed. Assuming they concluded that having the scoops open was not worth the extra weight they had to carry. It's now 338hp vs 352hp.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...5&MAKE=Pontiac

Rat Patrol · 12-26-2022, 02:55 AM

Tony Kneiper and his brother Frank died in an MVA heading to a race meet in late 1968

He was runner up to Butch Leal driving a Landy 440 Coronet at the 68 Winters in the SS/FA final.

09-29-2021, 02:01 PM	#1
DeuceCoupe Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 274 Likes: 98 Liked 48 Times in 44 Posts	Re: 1968 U.S. Nationals This says the Knieper car was a RamAir1 https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/6...holder.144313/ To stay over W/P=9.50 it has to be either an unfactored RA1 at 325hp (LOL) or factored to maybe 340hp but no higher, even adding weight for the T400 trans which is not in today's class guide. Per what Dwight Southerland said, at least by late 1968 the RA1 Firebird was factored to the GTO's 360hp so maybe this was before that time. I guess there's no way to externally tell a 67 RA Firebird from a non-RA? So Heath is still a question.

09-29-2021, 06:09 PM	#2
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 1968 U.S. Nationals "...I guess there's no way to externally tell a 67 RA Firebird from a non-RA?... I assume the scoops would have to be open, on the RA car, but sealed off on a non-RA car ? I have some pics of Randi Lyn Shipp's '67 Stocker which APPEAR to show black holes, possibly indicating that the scoops were open. Another pic shows 'em closed & painted white. The past couple of years or so, the scoops appear closed & painted light blue. I suppose with the current weight changes allowed, you could still run 3 different classes with it, opened or closed. Assuming they concluded that having the scoops open was not worth the extra weight they had to carry. It's now 338hp vs 352hp. http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...5&MAKE=Pontiac Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 09-29-2021 at 06:22 PM.

12-26-2022, 02:55 AM	#3
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 169 Likes: 68 Liked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: 1968 U.S. Nationals Tony Kneiper and his brother Frank died in an MVA heading to a race meet in late 1968 He was runner up to Butch Leal driving a Landy 440 Coronet at the 68 Winters in the SS/FA final. Last edited by Rat Patrol; 12-26-2022 at 10:14 PM.