How about severely limiting "Super" class entries?

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by BOB KIRKBRIDE

As an old racer who started racing in 1961 when there was mainly class racing, I would like to see an increase in Stock and Super Stock quotas and a drastic decrease in those damn throttle stop classes. I know a lot of great drivers come out of those classes but nobody wants to watch them except their competitors. I talk to a lot of old racers who will never go to a National event and for sure not a divisional race because of the hundreds of "stumble bum" cars, (my wife's word for them) Just the sound of them makes me sick to my stomach! Sorry for the rant but I would rather see Pro bracket and Super Pro bracket racers than those damn "Super?" things. Just think, with less of them we could have class eliminations at every event! I could dig that! Just an old racers thoughts who did race until 6 years ago at 70 years old.

Nothing worse than ENTITLEMENT .....

[t.tosto]

I'd like to think we are all in this together. To each their own, let's enjoy what's left for as long as we can. Participation at all levels helps us all, just my opinion.

[Tom Broome]

If I had my way, I'd make the "Super" Classes more performance based. Maybe limit the engine sizes. Why do you "need" 600 or 700 inches to go 8.90 or 9.90. I know why they do it, but they don't need to do it. Making them "cruise" a little less can't hurt, can it? If done correctly, wouldn't it look a little more like a race, not a practice tree/timer competition?

[jmcarter]

Originally Posted by Tom Broome

If I had my way, I'd make the "Super" Classes more performance based. Maybe limit the engine sizes. Why do you "need" 600 or 700 inches to go 8.90 or 9.90. I know why they do it, but they don't need to do it. Making them "cruise" a little less can't hurt, can it? If done correctly, wouldn't it look a little more like a race, not a practice tree/timer competition?

No motivation for NHRA to change the classes, limiting engine sizes is just more rules for tech officials to enforce which is contrary to the direction they’re going. They are a “cash cow” more so than us because they don’t require much tech and they fill their quotas. The cow is already out of the barn on this one. But do think no burnouts across the line in SC would be a start.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Tom Broome

If I had my way, I'd make the "Super" Classes more performance based. Maybe limit the engine sizes. Why do you "need" 600 or 700 inches to go 8.90 or 9.90. I know why they do it, but they don't need to do it. Making them "cruise" a little less can't hurt, can it? If done correctly, wouldn't it look a little more like a race, not a practice tree/timer competition?

Was Super Comp more of a spectator draw 20 years ago when they were mostly 8.30 cars and not the 7.50 cars of today? No, the cruise time doesn't matter. The spectators don't watch Pro Stock either.

Lowering the indexes will push out the slow cars, and maybe that would be fine if there were some sort of benefit on the other end but I can't think of any.

[HR9121]

From someone who got their start in the Super classes and still have alot of friends racing there I can't think of anything more offensive as to what was said here. I can't think of any of them that has ever said anything similar to what was suggested here either. Every racer chooses their style of racing and what interest some may not interest someone else but it doesn't make it any less important as far as the sport goes.

[Tom Goldman]

Originally Posted by HR9121

From someone who got their start in the Super classes and still have alot of friends racing there I can't think of anything more offensive as to what was said here. I can't think of any of them that has ever said anything similar to what was suggested here either. Every racer chooses their style of racing and what interest some may not interest someone else but it doesn't make it any less important as far as the sport goes.

Well said.
I continue to compete in Super Gas because it affords me the time to spend working on all the Stock and Super Stock cars I build, both at the track and the shop.
That said ,I would love to see the Index lowered a substantial amount ,NHRA made a huge mistake by not lowering them as Horse Power became easier to build or buy We arent running TRW pistons and Factory castings and cranks any more. my choice would be by more than a second . I believe the classes should be 7.90 -8.90 -9.90 . or maybe even .60's !

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman

Well said.
That said ,I would love to see the Index lowered a substantial amount ,NHRA made a huge mistake by not lowering them as Horse Power became easier to build or buy We arent running TRW pistons and Factory castings and cranks any more. my choice would be by more than a second . I believe the classes should be 7.90 -8.90 -9.90 . or maybe even .60's !

What would be accomplished by doing that, Tom? Just making the club more exclusive?

The people who can afford to would just buy bigger stuff, although they probably have enough horsepower already.

At least with Stock/Super Stock, the rules force a little more innovation and smarts to run the index. Can't just throw in a bigger bullet.

For me, there is no difference in the amount of fun between a wide open pass and a throttle stop pass. Sure, the number on the slip isn't impressive but it's just a target. I don't see why we'd want to lower the index just to push people out.

[racer6007]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

Was Super Comp more of a spectator draw 20 years ago when they were mostly 8.30 cars and not the 7.50 cars of today? No, the cruise time doesn't matter. The spectators don't watch Pro Stock either.

Lowering the indexes will push out the slow cars, and maybe that would be fine if there were some sort of benefit on the other end but I can't think of any.

There is NO PRO STOCK for the spectators to enjoy any more? Too expensive, and FLAT OUT BORING the way they are. Bring back the Jr PRO STOCK, small block real cars, and the spectators will stay in the stands to watch!!!!!

[Ed Carpenter]

I don’t agree with the notion we need to get rid of super classes to get higher quota numbers for stock and super stock. I’m not a huge fan of that type of racing but I have many friends who race in those classes and they deserve to be there just as the other classes.