Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Re-read my post Bruce.

Billy, it's the same thing!

[Jared Jordan]

Originally Posted by DG7050

Open up the number of entries at national events and make it a top 64 qualified field. The ahfs will be quickly rectified.

Literally the first post I've seen on ClassRacer on this issue that makes sense. THIS is the way to go.

For example: I didn't get into the Vegas National as a Grade 5, but if there was no quota and the Top 64 qualified for the show, you can bet the house that I'd set the car up to make sure I was one of them.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Billy, it's the same thing!

OK Bruce, index/rules...... same thing.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by DG7050

Open up the number of entries at national events and make it a top 64 qualified field. The ahfs will be quickly rectified.

Thanks for the dialogue, Darrin. I liked it, at first glance.

But look at it this way:
100 cars, 64% get to race.
We could tell, after the first hit, what 30 % won't be racing..Yes , a few guys can fix their DNQ's later.
Out of the 64 cars, how many can actually hit the 1.20 trigger? Maybe 6-8 % ?, but why would they? They're already in , in bracket mode.
So, maybe 2-3 % might screw up ?
I can't see where it will fix anything, in a hurry.. It'll just breed a new form of manipulation.
What it would do though, is give a few more guys who supported NHRA for 40-50 years, a chance to race again ,locally.

[Dave Turner]

It’s tough enough to explain the intricacies of Stock to my legion of fans....thank the Lord none of them dares to ask what goes on behind Door #3!!
I’ll be the first to admit that politics at any level sours my stomach.....pass the Tums please?

[B Parker]

First Do you really think putting the AHFS back at Indy for the 1.20 under rule will really help. Only someone with a real under factored combo or an idiot would go 1.20 under for a class trophy. Ruin your combo for 5 minutes of ego fame. Really !! I do understand that's my opinion.

Lowering the indexes I don't want to punish the guys that are just running the index. We can say work on the car or spend more money. But they might not have the money to do it. And for the new rookies getting into Stock they may not have the knowledge to do so.

Having the fastest cars only qualify for a race is also shutting out the people that don't have the money to spend to make their car fast. Even though Stock is a performance class it is suppose to be an entrance level class.

For those that want to see the triggers lowered you don't either have a Stocker or you need to have someone that likes to go fast run your combo and bomb it. Lets see what you think after that happens.

Even though I have never been a big fan of the AHFS it's part of our sport. So we need to deal with it. It's had the same triggers for years. While in Stock we have had several rule changes in the last few years along with several advances in tec that have helped our cars go faster. My hope is that our reps are looking at this post and will get together with NHRA officials and make some changes that will help us all out. Barry

[DG7050]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Thanks for the dialogue, Darrin. I liked it, at first glance.

But look at it this way:
100 cars, 64% get to race.
We could tell, after the first hit, what 30 % won't be racing..Yes , a few guys can fix their DNQ's later.
Out of the 64 cars, how many can actually hit the 1.20 trigger? Maybe 6-8 % ?, but why would they? They're already in , in bracket mode.
So, maybe 2-3 % might screw up ?
I can't see where it will fix anything, in a hurry.. It'll just breed a new form of manipulation.
What it would do though, is give a few more guys who supported NHRA for 40-50 years, a chance to race again ,locally.

How many cars run 1.0 or better one race then .35 under the next week to bring down their average? They won't qualify with .35 under anymore so they go .7 under to make sure they make the field. In the end, their average will stay high, keeping the ahfs more legit. Not to mention all the cars that routinely qualify .2 under, but can run .8 under anytime they want, they will have to show what they got to qualify and the ahfs for their combination will get closer to correct.

It's not a perfect solution, but it would be better than the current system.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by DG7050

How many cars run 1.0 or better one race then .35 under the next week to bring down their average? They won't qualify with .35 under anymore so they go .7 under to make sure they make the field. In the end, their average will stay high, keeping the ahfs more legit. Not to mention all the cars that routinely qualify .2 under, but can run .8 under anytime they want, they will have to show what they got to qualify and the ahfs for their combination will get closer to correct.

It's not a perfect solution, but it would be better than the current system.

I see your point that it can't hurt. I just don't see it helping a lot either.
I see where you'd have a bit of a different clientele after a while. The guys who can never qualify will just quit wasting their money, and the guys with 70-80 under cars, who can't make a bunch of points meets, will start going again.
They can always run slow, once they're in, too.
I like the qualified field idea but for a different reason.

[NHRA3106]

As much as I would enjoy a qualified field of 64, or any other solution to help correct the AHFS, I look at it this way. I have a combo that I have begged and pleaded for power off for years and I haven’t gotten hardly any help at all. A Chevelle running A just isn’t a great class car, but it’s mine and what I like and I deal with it. When I spend my hard earned money to travel 8 hours, I want to know that I will indeed get to compete at the event. I don’t want to show up, not make a field because there were 10 cars running illegal just so they can go fast enough to make the field and then no one ever checks a thing. If they don’t police these cars, then you gotta ask, what good is any of these suggestions? Makes you wonder if that’s how we got to where we are now. I thought years ago taking .3 off indexes we would never be back where we are. I love class racing and honestly, I have gotten to where I wouldn’t give you a nickel to run a national event. I would just as soon run in my division, and race combos. Just my 2 cents, I usually keep comments to my self.

[MikeMoller]

There are a few problems with class winners and then fastest qualifiers. A few smart racers in the same class who can barely run the index will enter an event (Indy?)just so one of them can win class and get in the show. There also may be more classes represented at a given race with cars not that competitive but can win class(keeping the combo's helps some). The fast guys sure won't like this. I do not have a dog in this fight, just making some observations.