COPO Horsepower adjustments

[Erik Jones]

Originally Posted by copo kid

After reading all this about how the car came from chevy (stock) this way and just a tune it’s all bs. Duncan Michael built my motor to in my car great job he did it is awesome. Here’s the problem 1. Car does not come in that color ya u can wrap it or paint it I know that. 2. Car does not come from factory with 7.50 cert cage it comes with 8.50 cert cage for stock fs/aa. 3. Lamb brakes shocks and struts is not factory Copo stuff strange is. 4. Mark Williams axles is not factory Copo stuff strange is. 5. Switching blower pulleys in Vegas 3 times during an event tells me u were testing your shootout motor by running faster then the rest of the supercharged fs/aa stock copos with tunes by .5 second in 2200+ feet of air little obvious your numbers are factory showdown shootout numbers. 6. Takes 4 guys to maintain a factory (stock) supercharged Copo motor that evidently valve covers never been off till that event? Probly because they were off on the motor on the dyno after 20-30 pulls multiple times. Not believing it.7. 3 inch and 3 1/8 blower pulleys are illegal in stock 3.25 - 3.50 are legal. 8. Shaft rockers are illegal in stock fs/aa 9. What stage of whipple blower is on that motor stage 1 stage 2 stage 3 stage 4 ?. Would like to see the boost psi numbers from the run with your stock motor and rpm. I’m sure factory blower was brought with in the trailor just Incase of a heads up teardown that came the next day after the run giving you time to come up with a plan to make it pass. Kinda funny how the blower was takin off the motor before teardown or Nhra officials were there and brought right into the trailor while leaving the other parts out? Kinda seems little weird. If there was supposedly more power where that came from why so slow your still getting out ran with your shootout motor you can brag when your in the 7.90s and the fastest one out there with your (stock) Copo motor. Sorry but every supercharged stock fs/aa driver that has one knows that this is bs.kinda funny took you all year to get the car out with your stock supercharged Copo motor with just a tune in it right from chevy. seems like everybody that runs in the shootout with their Copo should not have built a motor to run 8.0-8.20 they should’ve just put a (tune) in it. The way the car is now is exactly what everybody does to it when they get it from chevy to build it to run the factory showdown. Pull the motor and tranny put another one in that’s been modified then switch all the suspension and brake components and and the axles and the gears and the shifter and update the cage because you are building a motor with way more power to run faster while you get all the tunes figured out while the motor is on the dyno. If it was mine and I bragged about more to come I would have set the record at 7.90 in fs/xx instead of using my shootout motor in fs/aa to ruin a index and add weight to to everybody’s car that didn’t need it. When you calculate out the numbers of what the (stock) horsepower and torque from the factory motor and setup from a chassis dyno and the weight of the car and the air that day at the track and the speed it doesn’t make any sense it’s so far off.Good job gotta give you credit to get one passed all the Nhra officials that didn’t even look at anything hardly at all and couldn’t figure it out doesn’t mean that the rest of us that own one can’t figure it out. Just like the challenger that ran 7.90s (stock) didn’t even get tore down. I’m sure all the copo guys are very happy with you. Kinda seems funny like a pro stock thing if you know what I’m saying lots of R&D in the shop and money thrown at it then test the new combination oh wait it’s all (stock from chevy) it just turns out you got a motor that makes 200 more horsepower then everybody else’s from the factory (stock) I don’t think so. So far it looks like more power to come isn’t working with the numbers in Pomona I guess after your test session in Vegas you should be faster not slower with your (factory stock motor from chevy just the way it came) haha give me a break . If this motor is so stock maybe you should post pictures of everything in it because stock stuff is not a secret you can break down the parts from chevy and you already have the list of parts from the whole motor when you get the car from chevy. Without pictures not believing any of it. Maybe Nhra will have to make a decision on what cars they consider fs/aa factory 8.50 cert. they should have their own record and weight and not allow fs/xx cars to come in to the class of fs/aa and ruin the index and weight breaks and try to set the record because (factory stock) fs/aa cars were built to run 8.50 and slower for stock eliminator from chevy. they didn’t come modified to run factory showdown with 7.50 cert cages so there needs to be a fine line of what class that car is meant to run and only should affect that class they run in. I’m sure everybody agrees with me on this. Nhra will be getting plenty of emails and heat about this I’m sure so they will have to make a decision on the cars that show up at the events and determine what class they are in even if it means they get looked at at the national events for class racing. I’m sure there will be changes to come.

Hahahaha..... This is epic. I think this goes to number 1 on the Class Racer posts...

[Mike Jones]

Is Ross Gregory the "Copo Kid"?
This thread has it all!!
Mike

[james schaechter]

Maybe NHRA should help promote more shootouts. Maybe at National opens or points meets . These type of rivalries could be fun!
I do have to wonder how some people think. Many of the “so called” new cars that came on the scene were super soft from the start. There was a lot of discussion about them. Many of the new car owners were quite smug about how old car racers could work on their stuff or buy a new car. Some of the racers or New to racing racers thought if they bought these factory type cars that they were done spending money and would just be fast without the need to test, modify and spend money. Then “IT” happened. Racers will be racers. It was just a matter of time before the hard chargers with money, time and experience got in on these cars. This cycle will never end. Anyone that has one of these cars and is surprised isn’t familiar with hard core heads up racing. I agree, it sucks if you own one, but if you can’t play with the big dogs, don’t hang out with the class where the big dogs live. If you think there is some trickery going on, show up and race. Protest if you must.I think the idea of a good old fashioned dual at the track like J AS proposed could be a great deal that would be exciting for the class and the people racing. Owning a car and complaining on the internet doesn’t make you fast.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

Maybe NHRA should help promote more shootouts. Maybe at National opens or points meets . These type of rivalries could be fun!

I still remember the "good-old-days" back at my old "Alma Mater" (Island Dragway) when they would stage best 3 out of 5 match races between like-classed cars. Mostly Stockers or SSers.
There were lots of big-time rivalries and big-time talent around Div.1 back then.

[Tom Meyer]

No dog in this fight, but somebody missed the boat on this one they should have started a show like street outlaws then instead of have to read all this stuff we could have watched it on TV. Tom

[Rat Raceway]

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

Is Ross Gregory the "Copo Kid"?
This thread has it all!!
Mike

No I’m not!

I run a NA combo and a 5th gen car!

Copo kid has a blower combo 6th gen. The whole thread is about the 580hp 6th Gen combo.

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by Rat Raceway

No I’m not!

I run a NA combo and a 5th gen car!

Copo kid has a blower combo 6th gen. The whole thread is about the 580hp 6th Gen combo.

Thanks Ross

[Erik Jones]

Just to set the record straight "Jones Racing" is not me or my "other" account. Anything I post will have my Name on it.
With that being said no one from the Mountain View team is making claims or stating how fast we are or how fast we will be next year. We are racing a group of very talented guys and in no way are we starting any BS with anyone.
As for the "copo kid" you gave us some really good laughs this weekend ...thanks hahaha.

[Ed Carpenter]

Ken should make people use their real names. Grown men hiding behind a keyboard. Your a joke.

[Gary Tackett]

Top of the morning Copo Kid,

I must start with an apology. I didn’t realize was talking with a chapter president of Mensa.

For someone that doesn’t have time to mad and jealous, you sure type like you’re mad and jealous. We both know that my mom taught you better English than your showing us right now. Please tell me you put more thought and preparation into your racing program than the first two posts on Class Racer. If it’s a participation award your looking for because you have a COPO, I think you have chosen the wrong hobby. Lucky enough for you my mom said they have a few openings in her crochet class, where no matter what you work on, everyone at your table agrees yours is the greatest!

So for the record, if I had a combo that got hit such as the one we are talking about, I would be pissed as well. As others have pointed out, it’s not the first time that it has happened, and it won’t be the last. It didn’t have to happen. As you also correctly pointed out, I don’t own a COPO. Couldn’t afford to buy the emblems on the car myself. Be that as it may, you were the one that chose to vomit your thoughts and opinions onto Class Racer without any fact checking, or at the very least counting to ten before you started to type. As you can tell by looking on the left side of your page you can see by the post count, I read more than I post. I’ve often been told you can’t learn as much while talking as you can while listening, perhaps you should try that. While you were at the local Cracker Barrel last night and your buddy’s were all telling you how cool you were for constructing all of that mindless babble, IT DIDN’T CHANGE ANYTHING! I realize you are butt hurt over this deal, but it should be more of the first knuckle variety and not the whole fist.

One more thing before I try and show you the errors of your ways, I have nothing to do with the car. Zero. Nick couldn’t pick me out of a lineup if his last cigar depended on it. So please stop using “I” and “your”, I’m a friend of Erik’s, and he wanted to post however there is very little band width available at the track, but frankly he couldn’t stop laughing at yours.

So I’m going to do a little fact checking, try and follow along. I’m starting with your second post first. I’m not bringing your statements into the post just to make you go back and have to read that mess again.

1. I believe this is covered in the beginning.
2. I don’t know why you would want one. I didn’t offer you a “clapped out piece of junk 70,000 illegal shootout motor”, Erik simply asked me to post that the record setting engine was for sale. Score a point for me, I didn’t know that the shootout motors were 70k. See, I learned something today, and I think I pay attention to the details, I just chose not to look at every train wreck as I drive by it.
3. Still not sure what you’re trying to say there.
4. So your god given name is Copo Kid. Huh.

So let’s cover all of your first post opinions.

1. You are correct, you can paint or wrap a car as you see fit.
2. You are correct again, Car was made to be 7.50 spec legal, it’s a 25.? Cert, I’m sorry but if you have plans and aspirations of going faster than 8:50 you’re going have to upgrade.
3. LAMB brakes, struts and shocks are available to anyone that wants them. Being the highly decorated investigator that you are, I’m sure you know that quite a few of the COPOS and the Mustangs have them. Feel free to give LAMB a call at 909.985.1901. Tell them I sent you.
4. Correct again, upgraded to MW axels.
5. The blower pulley was 3.25” and it was never off the car. I must be missing something because the only obvious thing to me is that the car hauled ***.
6. Don’t know the answer to this, but I’m pretty sure there is more than just four. The motor has never been out of the car, however they do have a dyno mule. They are probably going to need a couple of mules. Jones loves to make noise on the pump. Again I say, no one cares what you believe but you are welcome to keep talking about how this doesn’t make sense. I think everyone including Jones was shocked at the ET ticket
7. Again, 3.25” pulley.
8. Reread your rule book supplements.
9. Whatever stage (?) that it left the factory with.


Judging from this post, there are a lot of things that you need. I would suggest starting with an open mind before you get onto the big ticket items of boost numbers.

The rest of this post is jealousy and speculation. I really wish I had some more time, but I need to get out to the track and help get some cars prepared. If you still think because someone else did what you or others haven’t yet, you have already lost the fight. If you took all of your ire and angst and worked harder on your stuff instead of worrying about what everyone else was doing, you would be ahead of the game. Remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. No matter how much you wish your car would be faster, it’s not going to happen on its own. I have found in life that there are always people that are better than me, and occasionally I’ll run into someone that makes me look smart. But hey, as you pointed out, I don’t even own a COPO, so I’m going to let you big boys worry about it.

Of course all this is my opinion, and I could be wrong…..

Pirate