Crate Motor Class

[tommy d]

Arrgh !

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

Really.? I don't recall any.... Who.? Gulius ,Barton or Tilburg are in a different zip code when it comes to speed (running under the indexes). Others too of course,... but their names were mentioned. If you turned them loose on the same engines, apples to apples, especially with the 3 tenths gift handicap that IHRA had, and no horsepower penalty system in place, it would have been entertaining at the least. Most NHRA cars that showed up at IHRA races left their cars in bracket mode and were top top qualifiers .. I don't mean to be disrespectful, and maybe I'm wrong and missing something here, , but there is ( I mean was) no comparison ..And it don't madder anyway

Bracket mode means you turn the wick down during eliminations.
Until there is a heads up race.
Even then racers move up and down a Class to avoid one.

New aftermarket pieces for Stockers are just CM engines without saying it!
No shame in it..IHRA CMs are natural documented replacements.
What we have now anyway is Modified Stock and Super Stock.

A real Stock Eliminator Class will have to be recreated!

D

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Bracket mode means you turn the wick down during eliminations.
Until there is a heads up race.
Even then racers move up and down a Class to avoid one.

New aftermarket pieces for Stockers are just CM engines without saying it!
No shame in it..IHRA CMs are natural documented replacements.
What we have now anyway is Modified Stock and Super Stock.

A real Stock Eliminator Class will have to be recreated!

D

Looking at how many NHRA Stockers can`t get into a national event as it is, and the overall car counts in Stock, I would have to say that the Current version of NHRA Stock Eliminator is very healthy , and has no need to be "re created", least of all to bring in a few now homeless IHRA cars , owned by people who took a chance on building cars that are not legal by the largest santioning body.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Bracket mode means you turn the wick down during eliminations.
Until there is a heads up race.
Even then racers move up and down a Class to avoid one.

New aftermarket pieces for Stockers are just CM engines without saying it!
No shame in it..IHRA CMs are natural documented replacements.
What we have now anyway is Modified Stock and Super Stock.

A real Stock Eliminator Class will have to be recreated!

D

See, Dan, that's exactly why people dismiss what you say immediately.

We have a 69 Camaro 427/425. We've run it since 2007, it's apart right now. Yes, it has GM replacement cylinder heads and intake. No, it is NOT a damned crate motor. You calling it one, with your ignorant opinion, doesn't make it one, either. It uses a a couple of GM replacement parts, but it is the original combination sold in 1969, a 427/425HP L-72.

Your pompous arrogant opinion about the class and the cars is exactly why the vast majority of NHRA Stock Eliminator racers don't want a damned thing to do with you or your suggestions.

[SSDA Hemi]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

See, Dan, that's exactly why people dismiss what you say immediately.

We have a 69 Camaro 427/425. We've run it since 2007, it's apart right now. Yes, it has GM replacement cylinder heads and intake. No, it is NOT a damned crate motor. You calling it one, with your ignorant opinion, doesn't make it one, either. It uses a a couple of GM replacement parts, but it is the original combination sold in 1969, a 427/425HP L-72.

Are the original L-72 closed chamber heads an open chamber 119cc replacement head cut down to 103.3 cc closed chamber specs?

Just more proof of how F'd up stock and SS are at this point

[Bob Don]

If IHRA classes are so great, how come no one showed up to race, forcing IHRA to drop the classes? If all you keyboard commandos actually raced instead of whining on the internet, IHRA might have kept their classes.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Bob Don

If IHRA classes are so great, how come no one showed up to race, forcing IHRA to drop the classes? If all you keyboard commandos actually raced instead of whining on the internet, IHRA might have kept their classes.

Bob;
Good points! Here are a few reasons.
NHRA racers did not like the 1/8mile races.
Bracket Racers complain about having to run 1/8 mile too.
Most want 1/4 mile..that is a general consensus !

Racers for personal reasons ignored IHRA.
Despite having combinations to run both organizations.
The loss of Mr Bader Sr may have been another.

Not directly related but loss of Modified Production other changes in rules.
NHRA not adopting IHRA cars.
NHRA wanting to kill IHRA to have all the marbles.

Now NHRA has no competitors and that does not bode well.

Alan;
I have never to best of my knowledge been pompus or disrespectful to anyone.
Despite the pounding hate and grief from posters.
I am just providing facts, ideas and opinions like everyone else.
If you see a post where I disrespected a person.
Please post it and will apologize.

We are talking about future of our sport !
Out of nowhere someone wakes up, falls off their stool and goes into rage rash.
I am not responsible for that.

Rory;
You make a clear case and got that. ..... For today!
Got to think about the future of Class racing.
How will it change and it will.
Trying to lead with what do we want it to be?
There are big issues such as what is the age demographics of Class racing.
How do we compete to attract younger racers?
Such as those installing the popular LS engine in older rides.

Then look at the number of Racer Postings that have passed away.

D

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

Really.? I don't recall any.... Who.? Gulius ,Barton or Tilburg are in a different zip code when it comes to speed (running under the indexes). Others too of course,... but their names were mentioned. If you turned them loose on the same engines, apples to apples, especially with the 3 tenths gift handicap that IHRA had, and no horsepower penalty system in place, it would have been entertaining at the least. Most NHRA cars that showed up at IHRA races left their cars in bracket mode and were top top qualifiers .. I don't mean to be disrespectful, and maybe I'm wrong and missing something here, , but there is ( I mean was) no comparison ..And it don't madder anyway

It don't "MADDER" anyway ?????? New way to spell matter ?????

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

Really.? I don't recall any.... Who.? Gulius ,Barton or Tilburg are in a different zip code when it comes to speed (running under the indexes). Others too of course,... but their names were mentioned. If you turned them loose on the same engines, apples to apples, especially with the 3 tenths gift handicap that IHRA had, and no horsepower penalty system in place, it would have been entertaining at the least. Most NHRA cars that showed up at IHRA races left their cars in bracket mode and were top top qualifiers .. I don't mean to be disrespectful, and maybe I'm wrong and missing something here, , but there is ( I mean was) no comparison ..And it don't madder anyway

When I was competing in the IHRA there were a lot of crate motor cars. Some of them were pretty fast. I am not going to debate who builds better stuff. But, if a person thinks that all it takes to go fast in a crate motor car is a cam swap they are dreaming. The same recources are available to everyone.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

It don't "MADDER" anyway ?????? New way to spell matter ?????

On purpose...My spell check works. I'm about as good at spelling as you were @ checking cars ..! LOL, Just kiddin.......