Crate Motor Class

[KEN BUGAJ]

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[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

IHRA already has Stock /GT and SS/GT has been around well over 25 year's in NHRA and IHRA. The young guy's and gal's can't afford to race. Next time you're at the races look around and see how many are out there. Not to many out there can drop 30 or 40 K on a Stocker much less 75 or better on a Super Stock.

They can bracket race. It has become too much like that now anyway, unless we have a heads up. If you have a "low budget" car, you likely would not enjoy one of those anyway.
I mean, I'm offended I can't afford to run Comp. I think, to be fair to poor guys like me, NHRA should make some classes for basically Stock engines for guys like me trying to race on their Social Security checks. :-)

[KEN BUGAJ]

Eddie

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

Eddie, Eddie, what a comedian you are. If you want to run comp, get a second job...

Same advice to you if you want to run NHRA Stock.

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

IHRA already has Stock /GT and SS/GT has been around well over 25 year's in NHRA and IHRA. The young guy's and gal's can't afford to race. Next time you're at the races look around and see how many are out there. Not to many out there can drop 30 or 40 K on a Stocker much less 75 or better on a Super Stock.

How is putting a different engine in a stocker going to be cheaper? Where can you buy a 2500$ engine that can run stock? Explain to me the savings? Do you think a stock ZZ4 or a stock 5.3 LS out of a pickup truck in the salvage yard will run the index in any car? Do you think it will be competitive in a heads up? Will it qualify for Indy? Unfortunately our class isn't what it was in the 60's and 70's. There are 40 and 50 K engines in stockers now that run A through E. You had some expensive rides back in the day. You should be able to relate

[KEN BUGAJ]

Bb

[Jim Kaekel]

Stock Eliminator is alive and well. We had over 120 cars at the Indy LODRS event last month.

[Mike Pearson]

The biggest problem with adding crate motor and Pure stock classes to NHRA competition is that there is already too many different classes in both stock and Super Stock. There is nothing wrong with these two classes but there has to be a line drawn when it comes to the amount of classes. Super Stock is already out of control wit GT. FSS and the modified classes. Modified, Super modified, and the modified trucks need to be moved over to comp and revise the comp class to something that can survive and get a car count. NHRA racing is not for everyone. If you want to race an NHRA class then you have to build or buy a car that fits those classes. Simple enough.
There is no cheap way to drag race at this level anymore.

[goinbroke2]

Heard the same argument from fast cars being beat by cheaper slow cars etc.

Can a crate motor car throw any cam in it? No.
Any head? No.
Any valvetrain? No.

So what makes it a crate motor? Well, you have to run a particular set of parts as per their part number. The carb is a 750 holley for small blocks and 850 for big...can I run any carb on a crate? No!
So what's left? Ahhh...the intake. ANY intake is allowed, which is like totally different than a LD340 intake on a ....or a certain intake on 283's....or....

If the rule says "you must run xyz part to be legal" is that a spec or not? Can you deviate from that spec or not?

So basically, the fight is about allowing people to use easier to find parts instead of 50 year old cast iron.

What if the rule said factory intake and carb? Well then the only difference between a crate motor and a traditional stocker would be the heads. THAT'S IT!
And if you can't find 50 year old heads, you ain't gonna find 50 year old intakes and carbs any easier!
Wife looked up the coyote crate motor yesterday on amazon, $17,000. I said WHAT??? that can't be right, must include electronics etc but she already had switched so I never got to read it.
Would you guys feel better if crate motors cost $17,000 and you couldn't build it yourself? Then the game is again set for the richer ones?

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

My car came from the factory with an LT1 engine, and that is what is in it now. It is a '96 model, I bought in 1997, it was 18 months old with 36,000 miles on it, with an LT1 engine & automatic transmission.

You evidently built that car for IHRA, you can still run it there, right?
You can also bracket race it at NHRA tracks, right?
But, expect THE major sanctioning body to make new rules for you?
You built the wrong car for NHRA, other than et brackets.
You did not understand that when you built it?

NHRA should adopt the IHRA Classes.
Did not have any problem creating a class for the COPO Manufacturers built race cars or ProMod for that matter?