Tech Card Fee,....Lane/Payout Fee

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

We had substantial financial support, and still barely broke even the first year, and lost our *** the second year. Never again. People had been begging for a Class Nationals event for well over a decade, and we're expected to take losses while it "gets some history"?

We promote big money bracket races, and people show up. We just had an inaugural event at Kil-Kare Raceway in Ohio: a new format of an event for us, at a new facility many of our customers were not familiar with. We had racers from Wisconsin, Texas, Mississippi, and Florida. It was a very smooth, very successful event. Our other four events all had record car counts last year (again), and those events got a purse increase this year (again). That's how it works.



Paul - Midwest series looks great!


Terry - Congrats on the R/U this weekend! And don't be giving my Wally away!

The reality is YOUNG bracket racers want to race, OLDER CLASS racers are enticed to race for that WALLY....as you get older there are many reasons to stay home....scheduling, weather, family obligations, .....

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

The reality is YOUNG bracket racers want to race, OLDER CLASS racers are enticed to race for that WALLY....as you get older there are many reasons to stay home....scheduling, weather, family obligations, .....

Been this way for quite a while, too.
15-20 years ago, (somebody help me out here) Rock Running and Kenny Shawver? tried to promote a big bucks S/SS combo.
Ended up refunding the pre-entries. Couldn't get enough collected to pay the track rental??

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Been this way for quite a while, too.
15-20 years ago, (somebody help me out here) Rock Running and Kenny Shawver? tried to promote a big bucks S/SS combo.
Ended up refunding the pre-entries. Couldn't get enough collected to pay the track rental??

Mark, I am looking at the flyer right now for that race (found it when I moved last year, and kept it handy). It was to be August 1-2, 1998 at Edgewater (near Cincinnati, for those unfamiliar). And it had a rain date too. Entry/payout was to be:

Pre-entry: $200
At the gate: $225

Win - $20,000
R/U - $8,000
Semi - $4,000
1/4's - $2,000
1/8's - $1,000 (round of 16)

Plus a Saturday gamblers race, contingency, and more.

And, yes, it was cancelled due to lack of pre-entries and interest.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Mark, I am looking at the flyer right now for that race (found it when I moved last year, and kept it handy). It was to be August 1-2, 1998 at Edgewater (near Cincinnati, for those unfamiliar). And it had a rain date too. Entry/payout was to be:

Pre-entry: $200
At the gate: $225

Win - $20,000
R/U - $8,000
Semi - $4,000
1/4's - $2,000
1/8's - $1,000 (round of 16)

Plus a Saturday gamblers race, contingency, and more.

And, yes, it was cancelled due to lack of pre-entries and interest.

Thanks, BD
It should be noted that this was only 3 years before the successful Class Nationals I ..
Same part of the country..Same time of the year.

[David Daulton]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Mark, I am looking at the flyer right now for that race (found it when I moved last year, and kept it handy). It was to be August 1-2, 1998 at Edgewater (near Cincinnati, for those unfamiliar). And it had a rain date too. Entry/payout was to be:

Pre-entry: $200
At the gate: $225

Win - $20,000
R/U - $8,000
Semi - $4,000
1/4's - $2,000
1/8's - $1,000 (round of 16)

Plus a Saturday gamblers race, contingency, and more.

And, yes, it was cancelled due to lack of pre-entries and interest.

I have a copy of that flyer too in my records from 1998, along with the envelope containing my returned check and nice letter from the Runnings explaining the race was cancelled due to lack of interest, still a sore subject for me.
I attended the Loose Rocker Race at Kil Kare Michael referred to above and believe me there are still a lot of folks out there young and old that want to race and will support a hardcore race at a local track. Best racing I've seen in a long time. I've been part of putting on a combo race at that same track and we were never able to get more than 26-28 cars no matter the entry or payout and half the field were NMCA Nostalgia Cars.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

The reality is YOUNG bracket racers want to race, .....

Not doubting your contention, MJ
The question then is "why"?
I would say that some have never known anything else.
Bracket racing and T&T nights may have kept many tracks open, but it was also the beginning of the end for younger folks' interest in NHRA, IHRA class type racing...in my opinion.

[cgall]

The NHRA is long overdue for a complete restructuring of management, classes, schedule and events. They just went through a change in leadership, but very little has been changed otherwise. I believe that is because they run it like the Clinton Foundation, claiming the majority of dollars taken in are for salaries, travel and admin fees, while paying out a tiny percentage of money to the cause that the damn organization was started for! Unfortunately for the public, the leaders of these orgs will let them fail before they would restructure. The IRS should require non-profits to use 99% of the money they take in to promote the cause, which in this case is having a safe place to race our cars.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Not doubting your contention, MJ
The question then is "why"?
I would say that some have never known anything else.
Bracket racing and T&T nights may have kept many tracks open, but it was also the beginning of the end for younger folks' interest in NHRA, IHRA class type racing...in my opinion.

Teddy, the key word is YOUNG....after a while the whole NHRA thing just wears on you. They just flat take the FUN out of this sport. You remember FUN, the REASON we all started racing .....But it takes YEARS to get to that point. This Midwest Class Racers deal ...I think they are really onto something ....

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

The reality is YOUNG bracket racers want to race, OLDER CLASS racers are enticed to race for that WALLY....as you get older there are many reasons to stay home....scheduling, weather, family obligations, .....

The above and add apathy to that as well. I decided to semi-retire. Life is too short. Finding both the money and desire is waning. I let my IHRA membership and stock# expire. Haven't had anything to the track in better than 3 years. Still go out and plug away at working on something from time to time. May show up again one day.

[Lenny5160]

Is divisional event payout even available to view anywhere? When I won a division race, I had no idea how much I won until the check showed up a couple weeks later. Also, a recent Stock winner posted on here to ask how much he had won the weekend prior.

There aren't many races that can get away with a $160 entry for a mystery payout!

I've also lost in the semis and agree that not covering your entry there is a complete scam!