Super Stock "GT" and SRA

Mike Carr · 12-21-2015, 04:42 PM

I could see a 7.0 and 7.5 pound Class in GT. Currently, GT/A(A) and F/GTA are 8.00 pound Classes; the same as SS/E(A). Making a 7 and 7.5 pound classes (same as the current SS/C and D would be a help to the higher-horsepower cars (both in regular GT and F/GT). I was told years ago that the current format was used so that "The GT cars would not upstage the traditional cars in S/S". Maybe that is still the case. 7 and 7.5 pound classes would allow for high-HP cars the chance to compete without weight 4,000 (or more) pounds. The 390 AMX motor, and others (LS-6, L-89, etc; though many of them would still weigh a lot in GT), as well as the new motors that are 500 (or more) HP. Just a thought.

Jim D'Amore · 12-21-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr

I could see a 7.0 and 7.5 pound Class in GT. Currently, GT/A(A) and F/GTA are 8.00 pound Classes; the same as SS/E(A). Making a 7 and 7.5 pound classes (same as the current SS/C and D would be a help to the higher-horsepower cars (both in regular GT and F/GT). I was told years ago that the current format was used so that "The GT cars would not upstage the traditional cars in S/S". Maybe that is still the case. 7 and 7.5 pound classes would allow for high-HP cars the chance to compete without weight 4,000 (or more) pounds. The 390 AMX motor, and others (LS-6, L-89, etc; though many of them would still weigh a lot in GT), as well as the new motors that are 500 (or more) HP. Just a thought.

I know a number of people that will be able to run their car in NHRA GT if there was a 7lb class. GT runs with Super Stock anyway so that would help the car count. I noticed at most of the events this year the Super Stock car count was down. This would definitely help the guys who want to run the newer engine combinations.

John Stock · 12-21-2015, 05:40 PM

With 7 & 7.5 Lb. classes you might be able to fit some intermediate size cars with shipping weights in the mid 3,000’s into the F/GT ranks using some of the bigger normally aspirated combinations, which might get some interest. But, even at 7 Lbs. and the low GT ratings, I think the blower motor cars from all three brands might need to be based on a full sized wagon platform to find something with a high enough shipping weight. Country Squires running 8.? @ 150+, sounds like Halloween.

Tony Curcio · 12-21-2015, 07:32 PM

Why stop at 7.00? SS/A and FSS/A are at 5.00, why not in GT? For what it's worth, I'd vote "yes".

Jeff Teuton · 12-21-2015, 10:07 PM

This is a good idea. I (and many others) have asked for this for quite some time. The answer is the same; "there is no interest in this". I think NHRA has either bad information or no information in relation to these classes. It's just too easy; the hp factors are in place, the tech information is in place, and the SFI regulation in relation to speed and safety are in place so what's not to like. I like 6 lb start, but anything would be a help. It was brought up at SRAC, but to no avail. NHRA has already created 26% new F GT classes in SS (for 12% of the cars I might add) so why not make these new classes available since they seem to want more classes than cars (can I say Comp). Maybe we can use one of the messages from Christmas like Miracle on 34th Street, where several thousand letters are dumped on the judge. A little Christmas humor there. The FGT classes that these cars would fall in are very poorly utilized and most "new" motors fall above the 8 lb minimum. Maybe someone can get a coordinated effort going on these classes.

Dick Butler · 12-21-2015, 11:10 PM

IT seems the most difficult to get the most obvious things accomplished. Gt starting at same as SS would seem so obvious. Same for FSS. Mr. Teuton could you please give a stronger input to NHRA for the racers.

David Barton · 12-22-2015, 01:24 AM

I think it's a great idea. I've been asking about it for 2 years but it keeps getting turned down. Not sure why because I can't think of one single downfall. It'll bring more cars into S/S and it will let the new combos slide into the older cars. I'd love to see a new 426 in a SS/AH car.

12-21-2015, 04:42 PM	#1
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Super Stock "GT" and SRA I could see a 7.0 and 7.5 pound Class in GT. Currently, GT/A(A) and F/GTA are 8.00 pound Classes; the same as SS/E(A). Making a 7 and 7.5 pound classes (same as the current SS/C and D would be a help to the higher-horsepower cars (both in regular GT and F/GT). I was told years ago that the current format was used so that "The GT cars would not upstage the traditional cars in S/S". Maybe that is still the case. 7 and 7.5 pound classes would allow for high-HP cars the chance to compete without weight 4,000 (or more) pounds. The 390 AMX motor, and others (LS-6, L-89, etc; though many of them would still weigh a lot in GT), as well as the new motors that are 500 (or more) HP. Just a thought. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

12-21-2015, 05:40 PM	#3
John Stock Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 45 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Super Stock "GT" and SRA With 7 & 7.5 Lb. classes you might be able to fit some intermediate size cars with shipping weights in the mid 3,000’s into the F/GT ranks using some of the bigger normally aspirated combinations, which might get some interest. But, even at 7 Lbs. and the low GT ratings, I think the blower motor cars from all three brands might need to be based on a full sized wagon platform to find something with a high enough shipping weight. Country Squires running 8.? @ 150+, sounds like Halloween.

12-21-2015, 07:32 PM	#4
Tony Curcio Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 271 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: Super Stock "GT" and SRA Why stop at 7.00? SS/A and FSS/A are at 5.00, why not in GT? For what it's worth, I'd vote "yes". __________________ Tony Curcio 1860 STK

12-21-2015, 10:07 PM	#5
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Super Stock "GT" and SRA This is a good idea. I (and many others) have asked for this for quite some time. The answer is the same; "there is no interest in this". I think NHRA has either bad information or no information in relation to these classes. It's just too easy; the hp factors are in place, the tech information is in place, and the SFI regulation in relation to speed and safety are in place so what's not to like. I like 6 lb start, but anything would be a help. It was brought up at SRAC, but to no avail. NHRA has already created 26% new F GT classes in SS (for 12% of the cars I might add) so why not make these new classes available since they seem to want more classes than cars (can I say Comp). Maybe we can use one of the messages from Christmas like Miracle on 34th Street, where several thousand letters are dumped on the judge. A little Christmas humor there. The FGT classes that these cars would fall in are very poorly utilized and most "new" motors fall above the 8 lb minimum. Maybe someone can get a coordinated effort going on these classes. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

12-21-2015, 11:10 PM	#6
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Super Stock "GT" and SRA IT seems the most difficult to get the most obvious things accomplished. Gt starting at same as SS would seem so obvious. Same for FSS. Mr. Teuton could you please give a stronger input to NHRA for the racers.

12-22-2015, 01:24 AM	#7
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Super Stock "GT" and SRA I think it's a great idea. I've been asking about it for 2 years but it keeps getting turned down. Not sure why because I can't think of one single downfall. It'll bring more cars into S/S and it will let the new combos slide into the older cars. I'd love to see a new 426 in a SS/AH car.