3sp to 4sp manual

Alan Nyhus · 12-04-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

Hello Al, been awhile, good to hear from you. I see you are still racing. Yes the car is still around. Actually it is pretty close to Sioux Falls now. I sold it after 37yrs owning it to my brother this spring who lives near Brookings. I kept most of the drive line, except the motor, for the new ride. I bought it from Doug Billet who worked at Duke Tuffty at the time. If I remember right you and Brad Van Lant were also there.

Yep...Doug Billet was the guy. Good to hear the car is still around. I've been on the trail of a similar one for years and may be getting close.

-Al

Grey Ghost · 12-04-2015, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Nyhus

Yep...Doug Billet was the guy. Good to hear the car is still around. I've been on the trail of a similar one for years and may be getting close.

-Al

What are you saying Al?? Race car or a driver? I have several 426 blocks gathering dust.

Grey Ghost · 12-04-2015, 01:34 PM

I want to update from the Mopar electronic race ignition to an MSD. What is the difference between the 6AL and the 6AL-2. Both have 2 step and listed output is simular. Both are suppose to work with the Mopar distributor. Anyone have a preference.

T Ames · 12-07-2015, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

I want to update from the Mopar electronic race ignition to an MSD. What is the difference between the 6AL and the 6AL-2. Both have 2 step and listed output is simular. Both are suppose to work with the Mopar distributor. Anyone have a preference.

Hello Phil. The 6AL provides an allowance for the addition of a two step while the 6AL-2 has the two step built in. I use the 6AL with a two step module along with a Mopar distributor. It works fine. I'd opt for the unit with a built in two step though if starting from scratch.

Sean Marconette · 12-08-2015, 01:18 PM

Phil,
I just spoke to Bob Blackwell our D5 tech director, and you will need to submit this for a rule change. Bob did not have to think very long before he answered, so it is a no. It's not a big deal to get the ball rolling to at least get this reviewed. I pointed out the clarification on the auto trans so that is your ringer. Why can an auto car that came with a 2 speed run a 3 speed, but a stick car that came with a 3 speed not be able to use a readily available 4 speed? The sooner you get something submitted the better off you will be.

The first G-Force I bought was from Jim Voth, it was a 5 speed as I am allowed to run one, but Jim could not, so he had removed the gear for 5th to be legal. It was another neutral, I do not remember if he did anything with the shifter as that was not part of the purchase. So you will be stuck with something like that, but worse and some not very ideal gear ratio combinations with a 3 speed.

I hope I did not muddy the water for you.

Sean

Adger Smith · 12-08-2015, 02:22 PM

At one time I think there was an allowance for a car that was offered with overdrive.
Like, the three speed with overdrive option is allowed a 4 speed.
Or was it just talked about?
I think Dwight or someone that still has a memory.might be able to help my memory on that one.

Dwight Southerland · 12-08-2015, 05:46 PM

Adger, that was just talked about. That came about because supposedly you could take a BW T-85 three speed with overdrive and with some case modifications install a T-10 separator plate and tail housing with 4-speed guts. I don't know for a fact it was ever done, but some old Ford guys claimed it and argued that it should be legal. It falls into all that stuff about what do you do with a 5-speed od manual and 4-speed od automatic: Is it a 5 speed so you can run a Liberty or Doug Nash or Jerico 5-speed. Is it a 4-speed so you could build a 4-speed automatic?

Wait for the rule book. After all, what passes tech is what is legal, not what the factories built.

12-04-2015, 01:34 PM	#3
Grey Ghost Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Iowa Posts: 209 Likes: 422 Liked 210 Times in 88 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual I want to update from the Mopar electronic race ignition to an MSD. What is the difference between the 6AL and the 6AL-2. Both have 2 step and listed output is simular. Both are suppose to work with the Mopar distributor. Anyone have a preference.

12-08-2015, 01:18 PM	#5
Sean Marconette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 977 Likes: 792 Liked 275 Times in 76 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual Phil, I just spoke to Bob Blackwell our D5 tech director, and you will need to submit this for a rule change. Bob did not have to think very long before he answered, so it is a no. It's not a big deal to get the ball rolling to at least get this reviewed. I pointed out the clarification on the auto trans so that is your ringer. Why can an auto car that came with a 2 speed run a 3 speed, but a stick car that came with a 3 speed not be able to use a readily available 4 speed? The sooner you get something submitted the better off you will be. The first G-Force I bought was from Jim Voth, it was a 5 speed as I am allowed to run one, but Jim could not, so he had removed the gear for 5th to be legal. It was another neutral, I do not remember if he did anything with the shifter as that was not part of the purchase. So you will be stuck with something like that, but worse and some not very ideal gear ratio combinations with a 3 speed. I hope I did not muddy the water for you. Sean __________________ Sean Marconette 84 Mustang 5060 SS/N

12-08-2015, 02:22 PM	#6
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual At one time I think there was an allowance for a car that was offered with overdrive. Like, the three speed with overdrive option is allowed a 4 speed. Or was it just talked about? I think Dwight or someone that still has a memory.might be able to help my memory on that one. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 12-08-2015 at 02:22 PM. Reason: sp

12-08-2015, 05:46 PM	#7
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,999 Likes: 64 Liked 772 Times in 192 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual Adger, that was just talked about. That came about because supposedly you could take a BW T-85 three speed with overdrive and with some case modifications install a T-10 separator plate and tail housing with 4-speed guts. I don't know for a fact it was ever done, but some old Ford guys claimed it and argued that it should be legal. It falls into all that stuff about what do you do with a 5-speed od manual and 4-speed od automatic: Is it a 5 speed so you can run a Liberty or Doug Nash or Jerico 5-speed. Is it a 4-speed so you could build a 4-speed automatic? Wait for the rule book. After all, what passes tech is what is legal, not what the factories built. __________________