If you could run a National event without the AHFS in place-

[Mike Carr]

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[Tony Corley]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

It has been explained so many times, but here goes again: There are different rules for different cars. The FSS, when contested, run without fear of penalties of any kind. The other 95% of the cars in the Eliminator do face repercussions. THAT, is the issue--the unfair application of the rules across the board in Stock Eliminator. Some get a free pass--the rest don't.

Ok, I'm still lost, because I fail to see how it affects the outcome of the race. If all of the FSS cars are not affected, and the older cars are not having to run heads up against them, what difference does it make?
In other words, the way I understand it, is the FSS cars can run all out, without penalty against each other. But when they move into regular. eliminations, doesn't it once again, just become a bracket race? At that point I don't see any disadvantage for the older cars.
Again, I really don't understand what the issue is, unless it was a heads up race with no break out in affect. Otherwise, why does it matter?
I actually see it as an advantage for the older cars, because the new combos will be forced to show their hand much sooner and run all out, instead of hiding behind a soft index.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Tony Corley

Ok, I'm still lost, because I fail to see how it affects the outcome of the race. If all of the FSS cars are not affected, and the older cars are not having to run heads up against them, what difference does it make?
In other words, the way I understand it, is the FSS cars can run all out, without penalty against each other. But when they move into regular. eliminations, doesn't it once again, just become a bracket race? At that point I don't see any disadvantage for the older cars.
Again, I really don't understand what the issue is, unless it was a heads up race with no break out in affect. Otherwise, why does it matter?
I actually see it as an advantage for the older cars, because the new combos will be forced to show their hand much sooner and run all out, instead of hiding behind a soft index.

Tony - What you are not seeing is the agendas of some that are being clouded by all the testosarone flying around the fact that they want to qualify higher than everyone else ......Hope this clears things up for you.And you are right - once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .

[Tony Corley]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Tony - What you are not seeing is the agendas of some that are being clouded by all the testosarone flying around the fact that they want to qualify higher than everyone else ......Hope this clears things up for you.And you are right - once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .

I hoped there was more too it than just that, but after reading Mr. Carr's last statement, I tend to agree with you. I thought there was a real agenda I was missing, that gave the FSS cars an unfair advantage against the older cars that would allow them an easier chance to win the race. So, truthfully, other than qualifying, (for a bracket race), it doesn't affect anything.
I personally think Stock and Super Stock would be a much better, more exciting class if everyone ran off of their index, with no breakout in affect. That would end this argument anyway, lol

[rognelson777]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Tony - What you are not seeing is the agendas of some that are being clouded by all the testosarone flying around the fact that they want to qualify higher than everyone else ......Hope this clears things up for you.And you are right - once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .

Jack.thanks for clearing things up.

Back to original question, one of the things I like about NHRA is they try to be fair, yeah I know, going to get killed on that comment. My opinion is you cannot have it both ways, if you are going to run a special race, it should not count toward qualifying. If it counts toward qualifying then it should follow the same AHFS rules

You want to really mess things up, your qualifying time is your dial in for race day.

[Billy Nees]

[QUOTE=rognelson777;466067] My opinion is you cannot have it both ways, if you are going to run a special race, it should not count toward qualifying. If it counts toward qualifying then it should follow the same AHFS rules[/QUOTE/]

Hey! You got it! Give that man a cigar!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .

It's that "for the most part" that can jump up and bite you when you least expect it or can afford it. It's also the reason that we need the AHFS to be in affect for EVERY one in Stock Eliminator at EVERY National Event.

[D.Johns]

Still going to have people playing the game and sandbagging. Doesn't matter if the AHFS was in place or not. Guys play the qualifying game to line up their opponents for the elimination rounds. There are cars that could easily run 1.2+ under and choose not to for multiple reasons.

Again I would vote for index being national record. Bonus points and money for setting a national record would entice more people to run for it. heads up all the time. Downside cost would skyrocket.

In another class your dial in was your quickest qualifying time minus a 10th. Qualifying order was reaction time.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

Bonus points and money for setting a national record would entice more people to run for it. heads up all the time.

When you say "entice more people to run for it" you mean all 12 guys that would be left running Stock Eliminator right?

[Signman]

There is an agenda here and from replies & lack of it is obvious to any Stock / Superstock racer or student of class racing who understands AHFS and the concept of a level playing field.