If you could run a National event without the AHFS in place-

Signman · 03-25-2015, 02:07 PM

No AHFS at Indy may be good for the sport and bring out some cars that are staying home.

BUT this does not fix the problem at other events where the shootout is contested.
How hard can it be to understand: The shootout must be a featured event.
In it's present format should not be part of stock qualifiying and eliminator.
It may not have mattered in the past and may not now but am sure someone will find a way to exploit it in the future.
There should be a level plaing field for all entries.

Bruce Noland · 03-25-2015, 02:47 PM

It's messed up. You can't ask for anything else from the Stocker guys. Lowering the indexes would have kept unrestricted cars in a restricted category at Indy. That's enough of that. nhra is basically trying to build FX car numbers off the backs of the Stock Eliminator racers. It's the cheapest and dirtiest way to do it. I don't care which one of the new car guys come out here and try to hold on to this corrupt format. And I don't care what type of persuasion they attempt to use - it is wrong and every one of you know it. Jeff, how hard would it be for you to just go ahead and admit this isn't right and tell nhra you guys need your own eliminator for the FX cars? We are working with folks who know how to deal with these corporate issues so it will get done one way or the other. You guys would surly look a lot better if you asked for the change as well.

Joseph Teuton · 03-25-2015, 03:05 PM

Guys the real question is when are yall going to realize that everyone agrees that the "new" car would like their own class. NHRA makes that decision and the HAVEN'T. Stop saying its the new cars guys who are beating yall up! We only fit in stock so for now own deal with it. If yall took as much time and effort and brought it to NHRA staff instead of coming on here and pointing fingers changes may be made. As it has been in the pass and still is to this day all the "new" cars have agreed with yall but at the same time keep working on our stuff to continue to bust yalls butts. This forum has NOTHING to do with NHRA so no one will make changes because of what is typed on here. Join together (as yall never have) and push the correct buttons.

Its funny how the new car guy suggest the for the same rules to be applied to the old cars yet that's still not good enough. This is a cruel world so some one will ALWAYS be faster than you.

Bruce Noland · 03-25-2015, 03:14 PM

Believe me we are working on it. This issue can be moved a lot quicker if you new car guys would organize and lobby for your own eliminator. And once again, this issue isn't about a cruel world or who is the fastest. It's about a sanctioning organization feeding off it's members. You guys could do a lot to stop it if you really cared about the sport. But you won't.

Joseph Teuton · 03-25-2015, 03:27 PM

Bruce please look at thread subject......FS/x and FS/XX moving forward. I believe once again the new car guys have done just want you are asking of us. What is so funny is not many of you older car guys have comment on it.

What has the older car guys going to NHRA with as a plan for the cars who are faster than them? Im not talking about whats posted on this forum but what has actually been brought to NHRA? Also who's fault is it that some of the older cars cant run 1 sec under? We should stop trying to make better cars because the older cars cant run 1 sec under..? I say we have a pre 1990 (wait is this old enough) eliminator for all the cars that are old! LMAO the older cars had there claim to fame in their day now they have new blood.

Just think if the Kentucky Derby quit running because some of the original horse weren't fast anymore. Im sure they have horses that cost way more than our "new" cars.

Bruce Noland · 03-25-2015, 03:42 PM

Joseph, where do I start? It's not about the performance of old versus new. It's about allowing the new cars to have serious advantages over the older cars while each attempts to qualify. The Kentucky Derby is a perfect example for my point. I'm glad you brought it up. The Kentucky Derby is for 3 year olds only. Each horse has to carry the exact same weight, 126 pounds. There is no bias. All horses, jockeys, trainers, owners, fans and bettors are treated exactly the same. There is no advantage. But that is not the case with the new cars qualifying against the older cars on the same sheet. That would be like allowing a four year old Grade 1 winner with 110 pounds on his back to compete in the Derby. No serious racing organization would ever allow it. Any organization trying such a stunt would be immediately discredited and become irrelevant.

Joseph Teuton · 03-25-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Joseph, where do I start? It's not about the performance of old versus new. It's about allowing the new cars to have serious advantages over the older cars while each attempts to qualify. The Kentucky Derby is a perfect example for my point. I'm glad you brought it up. The Kentucky Derby is for 3 year olds only. Each horse has to carry the exact same weight, 126 pounds. There is no bias. All horses, jockeys, trainers, owners, fans and bettors are treated exactly the same. There is no advantage. But that is not the case with the new cars qualifying against the older cars on the same sheet. That would be like allowing a four year old Grade 1 winner with 110 pounds on his back to compete in the Derby. No serious racing organization would ever allow it. Any organization trying such a stunt would be immediately discredited and become irrelevant.

the biggest way to make a point is don't show up at those races.

Bruce you sir are an unhappy person.

03-25-2015, 02:07 PM	#1
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl No AHFS at Indy may be good for the sport and bring out some cars that are staying home. BUT this does not fix the problem at other events where the shootout is contested. How hard can it be to understand: The shootout must be a featured event. In it's present format should not be part of stock qualifiying and eliminator. It may not have mattered in the past and may not now but am sure someone will find a way to exploit it in the future. There should be a level plaing field for all entries. __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

03-25-2015, 02:47 PM	#2
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl It's messed up. You can't ask for anything else from the Stocker guys. Lowering the indexes would have kept unrestricted cars in a restricted category at Indy. That's enough of that. nhra is basically trying to build FX car numbers off the backs of the Stock Eliminator racers. It's the cheapest and dirtiest way to do it. I don't care which one of the new car guys come out here and try to hold on to this corrupt format. And I don't care what type of persuasion they attempt to use - it is wrong and every one of you know it. Jeff, how hard would it be for you to just go ahead and admit this isn't right and tell nhra you guys need your own eliminator for the FX cars? We are working with folks who know how to deal with these corporate issues so it will get done one way or the other. You guys would surly look a lot better if you asked for the change as well. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 03-25-2015 at 02:55 PM.

03-25-2015, 03:05 PM	#3
Joseph Teuton Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: HOUMA, LA Posts: 440 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Guys the real question is when are yall going to realize that everyone agrees that the "new" car would like their own class. NHRA makes that decision and the HAVEN'T. Stop saying its the new cars guys who are beating yall up! We only fit in stock so for now own deal with it. If yall took as much time and effort and brought it to NHRA staff instead of coming on here and pointing fingers changes may be made. As it has been in the pass and still is to this day all the "new" cars have agreed with yall but at the same time keep working on our stuff to continue to bust yalls butts. This forum has NOTHING to do with NHRA so no one will make changes because of what is typed on here. Join together (as yall never have) and push the correct buttons. Its funny how the new car guy suggest the for the same rules to be applied to the old cars yet that's still not good enough. This is a cruel world so some one will ALWAYS be faster than you. __________________ JOSEPH TEUTON 4044 STK,SS,

03-25-2015, 03:14 PM	#4
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Believe me we are working on it. This issue can be moved a lot quicker if you new car guys would organize and lobby for your own eliminator. And once again, this issue isn't about a cruel world or who is the fastest. It's about a sanctioning organization feeding off it's members. You guys could do a lot to stop it if you really cared about the sport. But you won't. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

03-25-2015, 03:27 PM	#5
Joseph Teuton Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: HOUMA, LA Posts: 440 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Bruce please look at thread subject......FS/x and FS/XX moving forward. I believe once again the new car guys have done just want you are asking of us. What is so funny is not many of you older car guys have comment on it. What has the older car guys going to NHRA with as a plan for the cars who are faster than them? Im not talking about whats posted on this forum but what has actually been brought to NHRA? Also who's fault is it that some of the older cars cant run 1 sec under? We should stop trying to make better cars because the older cars cant run 1 sec under..? I say we have a pre 1990 (wait is this old enough) eliminator for all the cars that are old! LMAO the older cars had there claim to fame in their day now they have new blood. Just think if the Kentucky Derby quit running because some of the original horse weren't fast anymore. Im sure they have horses that cost way more than our "new" cars. __________________ JOSEPH TEUTON 4044 STK,SS,

03-25-2015, 03:42 PM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Joseph, where do I start? It's not about the performance of old versus new. It's about allowing the new cars to have serious advantages over the older cars while each attempts to qualify. The Kentucky Derby is a perfect example for my point. I'm glad you brought it up. The Kentucky Derby is for 3 year olds only. Each horse has to carry the exact same weight, 126 pounds. There is no bias. All horses, jockeys, trainers, owners, fans and bettors are treated exactly the same. There is no advantage. But that is not the case with the new cars qualifying against the older cars on the same sheet. That would be like allowing a four year old Grade 1 winner with 110 pounds on his back to compete in the Derby. No serious racing organization would ever allow it. Any organization trying such a stunt would be immediately discredited and become irrelevant. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 03-25-2015 at 03:51 PM.