Original hemi dart information

[jack arnew]

Originally Posted by Liteweight

Not the unibodies causing them to lane change. It was due to the steering geometry resulting from the K member being dropped half an inch. There was close to an inch of toe change from full front suspension extension to rebound due to the outter tie rods arc location.. These cars are SCAREY to drive left in this condition. Chrysler sent out parts to place the upper balljoint in a different location to correct this.

liteweight

Did a lot of Dart and Cuda suspensions back then and also many different brands for stock,super stock and outher classes.But toe change was not the only problem with front ends. Never found any problems with upper bal joints on mopars . The drop k frame was 75% of it , but most could not aquire enought caster from stock adjustments and had way too much camber change .Never found any issues after the cars were on front end machine as long as rear end suspension checked out. But have to agree they were a real hand full before any work was performed.
The very first Cuda's I did were Bill Stiles's SS/AA and my SS/A, first Dart was Richard Shipley's SS/AA, this was in late1968 or1969. Now I'm back in the game,as my son no longer wants to do the cars They would not let me retire for too long I guess. Will very soon have the new SS/AH of Dave Collette's on the machine. What a beautiful car this is. And I'm running a 67 Dart in nostalgia super stock circuit next season myself. Hope it's more fun and less work than last time.

[rhinodaert]

Originally Posted by jack arnew

Did a lot of Dart and Cuda suspensions back then and also many different brands for stock,super stock and outher classes.But toe change was not the only problem with front ends. Never found any problems with upper bal joints on mopars . The drop k frame was 75% of it , but most could not aquire enought caster from stock adjustments and had way too much camber change .Never found any issues after the cars were on front end machine as long as rear end suspension checked out. But have to agree they were a real hand full before any work was performed.
The very first Cuda's I did were Bill Stiles's SS/AA and my SS/A, first Dart was Richard Shipley's SS/AA, this was in late1968 or1969. Now I'm back in the game,as my son no longer wants to do the cars They would not let me retire for too long I guess. Will very soon have the new SS/AH of Dave Collette's on the machine. What a beautiful car this is. And I'm running a 67 Dart in nostalgia super stock circuit next season myself. Hope it's more fun and less work than last time.

I own Shipley's car now, was it always an automatic? I have seen docs that it was built as a 4-speed but nobody seems to know for sure. I wish I could find color pictures of it when he raced it, seems to be few and far inbetween. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I will be starting the resto this year back to the Poison Dart paint scheme.


Jim

[marfen]

check the LH frame rail for evidence of a clutch z bar pivot that may still be there or evidence that one was there. Floor pan surgery may give you some idea .

[Liteweight]

Originally Posted by rhinodaert

I own Shipley's car now, was it always an automatic? I have seen docs that it was built as a 4-speed but nobody seems to know for sure. I wish I could find color pictures of it when he raced it, seems to be few and far inbetween. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I will be starting the resto this year back to the Poison Dart paint scheme.


Jim

Good to hear Jim. It'll be great to see another of these back in the limelight.

marfen (Dave) has a great idea there bout the bracket on the frame rail

liteweight

[Liteweight]

I just got PM'd this message. Anyone?



I am a new member and late tot he post. did you ever find the original owner of your car?
Sam Dell dealership in syracuse ny purchased a 1968 hemi dodge dart. It was called the Dells Devil and was raced by John Bullock and skipworth

[rhinodaert]

Originally Posted by Liteweight

I just got PM'd this message. Anyone?



I am a new member and late tot he post. did you ever find the original owner of your car?
Sam Dell dealership in syracuse ny purchased a 1968 hemi dodge dart. It was called the Dells Devil and was raced by John Bullock and skipworth

Daryl, that sounds promising! Never heard of this one before, fingers crossed!

[Liteweight]

Originally Posted by rhinodaert

Daryl, that sounds promising! Never heard of this one before, fingers crossed!

hey Jim

I'm pretty much 100% convinced my car is the Manhattan Speed Dart due to that dent. . There's been the question of only 3 Hemi darts originating from that area which left the Manhattan Speed Dart's origins unknown. The information Paul has provided confirms the beginnings of it not going through a dealer out there & why it couldn't be traced to a NY dealer. As you know it's hard to put a definate period on a cars history without a paper trail, but I'm going with that silver Dart owned by Pete M*****.

That previous post of the PM was to see if anyone has heard of the Dell's Devil or it's owners. Paul?? Jack Arnew you remember anything about it???

liteweight

[a990hemi]

I don't believe this pic has been posted here yet. I acquired it from a Facebook page that I can no longer recall.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Originally Posted by Liteweight

hey Jim

I'm pretty much 100% convinced my car is the Manhattan Speed Dart due to that dent. . There's been the question of only 3 Hemi darts originating from that area which left the Manhattan Speed Dart's origins unknown. The information Paul has provided confirms the beginnings of it not going through a dealer out there & why it couldn't be traced to a NY dealer. As you know it's hard to put a definate period on a cars history without a paper trail, but I'm going with that silver Dart owned by Pete M*****.

That previous post of the PM was to see if anyone has heard of the Dell's Devil or it's owners. Paul?? Jack Arnew you remember anything about it???

liteweight

Daryl,

I know that John Bullock ran a 1965 Mopar Super/Stock car for
Sam Dell Dodge.

Sam Dell Dodge {West Genesee Street, Syracuse}.

As for a 1968 LO23 Hemi Dart.

Never found anything.

[jack arnew]

Originally Posted by rhinodaert

I own Shipley's car now, was it always an automatic? I have seen docs that it was built as a 4-speed but nobody seems to know for sure. I wish I could find color pictures of it when he raced it, seems to be few and far inbetween. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I will be starting the resto this year back to the Poison Dart paint scheme.


Jim

Richard Shipley's Dart was brought to me direct from G/S in Detroit, and was A/T car. It still was in primer and rear quarters were unpainted with brass showing from body alterations for tire clearence. These cars were not a finished product at all when delivered. I think I can find Richard's son, he may have some shots of the Dart.If you contact me , I'll do what I can to help....Jack