Part of what hurt drag racing

[Dick Butler]

Finespline good response.

Randy, How about one motor size and specification. Fit in class by chassis the racer has to use... Stock chassis with the motor at Xlb/cubic
SS chassis with motor at Y/lb /cubic inch
SG chassis with motor at Z lb / cubic inch

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by FINESPLINE

Here is a question to ponder .

Ask a person on the street, HOW IS A RACE DECIDED ? DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CARS-----TWO PEOPLE RUNNING----ANY COMPETITION BETWEEN TWO OBJECTS GOING FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
THEIR ANSWER WILL BE---WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST IS THE WINNER.


IN THE PRO CATEGORIES LIKE TOP FUEL / FUNNY CAR / PRO STOCK WHOEVER GETS TO FINISH FIRST------WINS !

SPORTSMAN RACING ---------NOT----OH, MAYBE ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT NOT THE NORM.

NHRA PLAYS TO THE SIMPLE. NO EXPLANATION NEEDED.

UNTIL SPORTSMAN RACING CAN OFFER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY CANNOT COMPETE WITH THE PROS. HEADS-UP RACING IS VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND TO THE NEWCOMER BRINGING HIS FAMILY TO THE RACES, THATS WHAT THEY UNDERSTAND !!!

I do agree that you make a good point.

Here is an example of why it currently doesn't work.

Two G/SA cars are on the line racing Heads Up.First one to the finish line wins.One is a 1964 Dodge with an originally produced 365 horsepower rating.

The other is a 1970 Olds 442 with an originally produced 365 horsepower rating.

They leave the line and the Olds gets the hole shot,but the Dodge quickly pulls ahead by SEVERAL car lengths.

Many ask ...hey why is that old Olds so slow??

Upon further review,the Dodge crosses the scales at 3370 pounds with driver,and the Olds crosses the scales at 4075 with driver.


Over 700 pounds heavier to be in the same class with two engines that originally were rated by the factory with the same rating? Huh?

[FINESPLINE]

442, I understand exactly what you are saying but you are breaking it down to a sportsman racer thought process. The people in the stands see 2 cars , two different colors and root for whatever body style appeals to them.
You are looking at the technical side of race, that these people will never understand unless they really become hooked on sportsman racing. All they want is the car that appeals to them to win. Simplistic and easy to understand.These people are a long way off from indexes , ahfs, cic, breakouts. It clouds the picture when it casts doubt to what you observe.

[Wayne Scraba]

Thinking out loud here guys and I don't have any sort of dog in this fight either....(so don't pound this old man too hard...L-O-L).

Maybe instead of a heads up spec head category, what you really might need is a heads up category with a sealed, spec, motor???


Wayne

[Charlie A]

Instead of "dial in" numbers, go back to running off national records for your class. Everyone understood that. Even the spectators. It was pretty cool when a local guy could run the number or close to it. Made the difference in spot on the tree easy to explain to anyone. My blonde girlfriend even understood it "way back when".

[James Perrone]

What has killed drag racing is ..ALL YOU KEYBOARD RACERS...Get out and RACE,
Stop trying to change the world..Most of you guys don't class race WTF...Nothing in life is fair.. I race cause I enjoy it life is too short..Get out and race!!!

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

I do agree that you make a good point.

Here is an example of why it currently doesn't work.

Two G/SA cars are on the line racing Heads Up.First one to the finish line wins.One is a 1964 Dodge with an originally produced 365 horsepower rating.

The other is a 1970 Olds 442 with an originally produced 365 horsepower rating.

They leave the line and the Olds gets the hole shot,but the Dodge quickly pulls ahead by SEVERAL car lengths.

Many ask ...hey why is that old Olds so slow??

Upon further review,the Dodge crosses the scales at 3370 pounds with driver,and the Olds crosses the scales at 4075 with driver.


Over 700 pounds heavier to be in the same class with two engines that originally were rated by the factory with the same rating? Huh?

The Olds 455 heads flow as well as the 915 Dodge head if not better. The 455 has 30 cubes more, .032" more lift and the Quadrajet flows at least 200 CFM more than the little 426 AFB. Unlike the 426, the Olds 455 has no limit on valve to piston clearance and when combined with the 1/2" longer stroke, much more duration can be used than with the 426. They came from the factory with the same rating but they are worlds apart in HP potential. It looks like only the 442 convert will make it down to G at it's current rating.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Paul Precht

The Olds 455 heads flow as well as the 915 Dodge head if not better. The 455 has 30 cubes more, .032" more lift and the Quadrajet flows at least 200 CFM more than the little 426 AFB. Unlike the 426, the Olds 455 has no limit on valve to piston clearance and when combined with the 1/2" longer stroke, much more duration can be used than with the 426. They came from the factory with the same rating but they are worlds apart in HP potential. It looks like only the 442 convert will make it down to G at it's current rating.

And with just a 5 horsepower penalty,the Dodge gets Edelbrock Aluminum Heads which are NO better than 1964 technology?

[randy wilson]

Dick, I agree with you. I'd say slapper bar cars are at say 9lbs. per cube start the class. Ladder bars add 50 lbs. 4 link cars add 50 lbs. let them all in. Slapper bars limited to 10.5", ladder bar 12.5" 4 link 13. 5.
What say you? Heads up, pro tree. Brodix spec head

[randy wilson]

Maybe have cars 82 and newer add 50lbs. Just a thought.