OLD Modified Corvettes

Todd Bailey · 12-12-2013, 12:59 PM

Not as much as a modified class!! Racers just have a warm fuzzy for this class. Hope you and Randy can move forward, somehow, with it.

randy wilson · 12-12-2013, 01:16 PM

Honestly Todd. I'm actually shocked that NHRA, and or, IHRA have not tried to re-apply Modified with the availability of a Spec head. It's affordable, available, and easy to police. Plus, anyone who can afford a race car, can afford spec if we are careful on the rules. But, then again, that's just me.

Todd Bailey · 12-12-2013, 02:11 PM

Randy,

I agree with your comment on the spec head. That would be one complaint that the sanctioning body would complain about in that "We don't have enough tech guys as it is". Without a doubt, a spec head could limit the expense of extensively modified heads. From a spectator standpoint, they want to see the wheelstands and hear the sound of high RPM's. For many racers, this would be a chance to return to what type of racing they miss. I do not have the stats on racer participation but I believe it would slightly increase with the introduction of a Modified class. As Dick stated, keep it simple in what is allowed and it will help with the cost. Still expensive to do but people could afford to do it. This thread has had my attention since it started. D2 has index racing so why can't it be added to other divisions as well? Growing up, D4 was a pretty serious hotbed for Modified/Gas. I think if the powers-to-be see the excitement that it brings in spectators and racers, maybe it would put a bug in their ear. I would not have the first idea, though, of how to approach getting someone to listen to me on this topic.

randy wilson · 12-12-2013, 02:51 PM

If, and when the time comes, I have, what I think are good ideas. For starters on tech. Any car that wins, runner ups, or sets a national record, must, at that time, remove a head at their expense, and deliver it to the sanctioning body, to be shipped off to say, Brodix for final say. You, if you plan on being competitive, would carry a spare head. The one you send off could be bare. Another idea. Anyone could exchange bare heads, for
$1,000 plus exchange from any competitor. Just ideas. And also, no one has the answer on how, or who to approach. I do think it needs a full year to get up and running. I would pledge to attend enough races to claim points for a title. Not saying I think I would win it, just letting all know I would participate as much as possible. There is a LOT of talent out there that would come out of the woodwork. Mike Edwards ring a bell? Ha!

Todd Bailey · 12-12-2013, 03:32 PM

I guess the one thing is, will this idea die off or will someone take it until completion? Lots of work left to be done. Has there EVER been a definitive, clear-cut answer on why NHRA did away with Modified after the '81 season? Ed Wright, where are you??

randy wilson · 12-12-2013, 04:11 PM

I'm guessing tech is why it ended. Hope not, but my gut feeling. My rule ides will never call for a head, or oil pan to be pulled. A scope can do the heads until crisis inspection, and a scope can do the clutch in the bellhousing. Spec fuel, say C12. Spec tire, say 12.5 or 13.5. One 750 carb. Stock appearing. A scope in a window in the oil pan if, I say if you want to keep out trick cranks. Just some ideas.

Todd Bailey · 12-12-2013, 04:49 PM

Sounds pretty close to the original Super Modified until they opened the door on everything. What were you thinking for max cubic inches? Four speed or 5 speed as well?

randy wilson · 12-12-2013, 04:55 PM

Also, I'll furnish the P&G gauge, and the fuel check tool, and we could use portable scales at all events. Weigh after each round, fuel check final 4, and P&G the finalists.I have an oil sniffer somewhere I gave $1,900 for, I'll try to find, but we could select a committee to police ourselves. If I can't find it, we could take an oil sample to a lab, and have it diagnosed if we think someone is adding something to the oil, to bleed past the rings, or ingesting it into the engine someway. Real hard to cheat with the actual head company making the final decision. After all, they produce the head. I know comp guys are pretty intuitive, but I think we can keep one step ahead of them . Make the rules black, and white. No grey areas.

12-12-2013, 12:59 PM	#1
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 30 Liked 33 Times in 17 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Not as much as a modified class!! Racers just have a warm fuzzy for this class. Hope you and Randy can move forward, somehow, with it.

12-12-2013, 01:16 PM	#2
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Honestly Todd. I'm actually shocked that NHRA, and or, IHRA have not tried to re-apply Modified with the availability of a Spec head. It's affordable, available, and easy to police. Plus, anyone who can afford a race car, can afford spec if we are careful on the rules. But, then again, that's just me. __________________ don,t have one

12-12-2013, 02:11 PM	#3
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 30 Liked 33 Times in 17 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Randy, I agree with your comment on the spec head. That would be one complaint that the sanctioning body would complain about in that "We don't have enough tech guys as it is". Without a doubt, a spec head could limit the expense of extensively modified heads. From a spectator standpoint, they want to see the wheelstands and hear the sound of high RPM's. For many racers, this would be a chance to return to what type of racing they miss. I do not have the stats on racer participation but I believe it would slightly increase with the introduction of a Modified class. As Dick stated, keep it simple in what is allowed and it will help with the cost. Still expensive to do but people could afford to do it. This thread has had my attention since it started. D2 has index racing so why can't it be added to other divisions as well? Growing up, D4 was a pretty serious hotbed for Modified/Gas. I think if the powers-to-be see the excitement that it brings in spectators and racers, maybe it would put a bug in their ear. I would not have the first idea, though, of how to approach getting someone to listen to me on this topic.

12-12-2013, 02:51 PM	#4
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes If, and when the time comes, I have, what I think are good ideas. For starters on tech. Any car that wins, runner ups, or sets a national record, must, at that time, remove a head at their expense, and deliver it to the sanctioning body, to be shipped off to say, Brodix for final say. You, if you plan on being competitive, would carry a spare head. The one you send off could be bare. Another idea. Anyone could exchange bare heads, for $1,000 plus exchange from any competitor. Just ideas. And also, no one has the answer on how, or who to approach. I do think it needs a full year to get up and running. I would pledge to attend enough races to claim points for a title. Not saying I think I would win it, just letting all know I would participate as much as possible. There is a LOT of talent out there that would come out of the woodwork. Mike Edwards ring a bell? Ha! __________________ don,t have one

12-12-2013, 03:32 PM	#5
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 30 Liked 33 Times in 17 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes I guess the one thing is, will this idea die off or will someone take it until completion? Lots of work left to be done. Has there EVER been a definitive, clear-cut answer on why NHRA did away with Modified after the '81 season? Ed Wright, where are you??

12-12-2013, 04:11 PM	#6
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes I'm guessing tech is why it ended. Hope not, but my gut feeling. My rule ides will never call for a head, or oil pan to be pulled. A scope can do the heads until crisis inspection, and a scope can do the clutch in the bellhousing. Spec fuel, say C12. Spec tire, say 12.5 or 13.5. One 750 carb. Stock appearing. A scope in a window in the oil pan if, I say if you want to keep out trick cranks. Just some ideas. __________________ don,t have one

12-12-2013, 04:49 PM	#7
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 30 Liked 33 Times in 17 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Sounds pretty close to the original Super Modified until they opened the door on everything. What were you thinking for max cubic inches? Four speed or 5 speed as well?

12-12-2013, 04:55 PM	#8
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Also, I'll furnish the P&G gauge, and the fuel check tool, and we could use portable scales at all events. Weigh after each round, fuel check final 4, and P&G the finalists.I have an oil sniffer somewhere I gave $1,900 for, I'll try to find, but we could select a committee to police ourselves. If I can't find it, we could take an oil sample to a lab, and have it diagnosed if we think someone is adding something to the oil, to bleed past the rings, or ingesting it into the engine someway. Real hard to cheat with the actual head company making the final decision. After all, they produce the head. I know comp guys are pretty intuitive, but I think we can keep one step ahead of them . Make the rules black, and white. No grey areas. __________________ don,t have one