OLD Modified Corvettes - Page 16

Dwight Southerland · 12-09-2013, 05:26 PM

Consider allowing any rwd car regardless of year. Maybe some restriction to keep exotic cars out. The gen III F-body cars were serious MP cars, i.e. Coleman Roddy. Also, a mid-80s Mustang or other Fox platform FoMoCo would be cool. Heck, even a new Mustang, Challenger or Camaro would be a cool MP car. Can you think an LS engine, a modular V8 or a new hemi with a tunnel ram?

Dick Butler · 12-09-2013, 08:22 PM

Needed some guys with rollers in the garage to play.

randy wilson · 12-09-2013, 08:53 PM

I'll let qualified SS racers use those engines for a match race. I suppose we could run one at 9, or 9.5 lbs. and the other at 10.5, or 11 lbs. per cube. They need to give me a little time to get them ready. The two 750 cfm carbs run nearly identical on the track, and the dyno. The LS engine deal, I don't know. Doesn't interest me, but, like I say, if that's more popular, knock yourself out. It just ain't for me.

killintime6968 · 12-10-2013, 12:52 AM

I think 3 classes 9.5 , 10.5 and 11.5 ci per pound 360ci max. Spec type head , 12.5comp max. No exotic valve train. 750 max lift cam. No custom grinds, off the shelf only. Crank trigger ok. Single 4bbl with 950cfm or dual 4bbl with 660cfm each max. No exotic carb mods. Cast manifolds with port matching only. 4 or 5spd trans using a clutch to shift. Single disc only.

randy wilson · 12-10-2013, 06:41 AM

Or, 9, 10, and 11 lbs. per cube. Max 360 fine. Min. wt. 3,000 lbs. I do know in my experience, 2 fours is a tenth quicker then my best single four. Love everything about your idea but the 12.5 compression. With these heads, and even 360 cubes, it's hard to get 13.5 to one. I know they'll do it, but really don't see an issue. Anyone willing to furnish the car? Come on guys. I need a little time. Look, if you blow it up, it's no skin off your ***. I'll just be out a motor. I'm not asking anyone to loan me a car, just be the test pilot for this.

ss wannabee · 12-10-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Guys I want it as SIMPLE and inexpensive as possible if it were done. Bordix heads okay here but expense? No sheet metal intakes. Need to think Auto trans also to appeal to more RACERS first then spectators will have a bigger show early in development.
Pre 80s good too. Chevy II, Camaro, Mustang, Dart etc. early vettes.. No aluminum cars.
I still think trying to NOT label these as Crate motors helps acceptance. Mod Motors has a better ring to it.
Anyone going to PRI?

What happened to K.I.S.S.? Note the first sentence in this quote...
Think 1-CLASS...1-CARB....and stick-ONLY...is a good way to start...You already got
TONS of auto trannys out there...Nothing against 2x4 set-ups...but single is SIMPLE...

Give the class a chance to run and feel it out....I know we've been here before...it'll
feel a LOT like 1975-ish A/SM class....weight breaks came later....RIGHT??

Think the "stick" approach will make this way a bit unique or "different"...Having auto]
trans will make it seem like SS or Stk...at least to the casual spectator...IMHO...

btw...I'm NOT a player in all this...don't have a car or motor....but WOULD like to see
it HAPPEN....

Just sayin......

randy wilson · 12-10-2013, 10:29 AM

I have ideas to make it real simple, real affordable, and really easy to police. And also, real entertaining, and real competitive. But, these are just my ideas, and don't expect everyone to agree.

joespanova · 12-10-2013, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Or, 9, 10, and 11 lbs. per cube. Max 360 fine. Min. wt. 3,000 lbs. I do know in my experience, 2 fours is a tenth quicker then my best single four. Love everything about your idea but the 12.5 compression. With these heads, and even 360 cubes, it's hard to get 13.5 to one. I know they'll do it, but really don't see an issue. Anyone willing to furnish the car? Come on guys. I need a little time. Look, if you blow it up, it's no skin off your ***. I'll just be out a motor. I'm not asking anyone to loan me a car, just be the test pilot for this.

9 ,10 ,11? Too heavy...........you wanna see lots of broken parts?
8 ,9 lbs...need to keep the weights down . Fiberglass OK , but limited and must appear stock , retaining trim etc etc. Absolutely 2 -4s and head limitations. 4 or 5 speeds. Automatics? Really? In modified style cars?

randy wilson · 12-10-2013, 01:57 PM

Don't matter to me what pounds per cube you allow, but most SS cars are in the 3,000 range. Min. WT. And max. WT. Should cure that. Ran at 3,000 lbs. My whole life. And constant breakage is not a problem

joespanova · 12-10-2013, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Don't matter to me what pounds per cube you allow, but most SS cars are in the 3,000 range. Min. WT. And max. WT. Should cure that. Ran at 3,000 lbs. My whole life. And constant breakage is not a problem

I didn't say constant.
What I was saying is that at 10 and 11 lbs you will encourage it. I assume you're implying the conversion from SS to this suggested class / classes when you referenced the 3000 lb point. They can start at 3000 and work downward. Ref. my suggestion of 8 and 9lbs. They'll run quicker ( more fun for driver and fans alike ) and be a little easier on parts ( as you know ).
To keep this stuff healthy the cars need to be quick.......read that spectator appeal. But I'm sure you already know THAT as well.
There is a resurrection of vintage gassers running all over the country.........I've seen some of them......They're cool as hell and quick too. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZs1Ujd7is"]Run Ragged -vs- Bone Shaker - YouTube[/ame]

No reason someone couldn't create a vintage Modified eliminator circuit?

12-09-2013, 05:26 PM	#151
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,000 Likes: 64 Liked 777 Times in 193 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Consider allowing any rwd car regardless of year. Maybe some restriction to keep exotic cars out. The gen III F-body cars were serious MP cars, i.e. Coleman Roddy. Also, a mid-80s Mustang or other Fox platform FoMoCo would be cool. Heck, even a new Mustang, Challenger or Camaro would be a cool MP car. Can you think an LS engine, a modular V8 or a new hemi with a tunnel ram?

12-09-2013, 08:22 PM	#152
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Needed some guys with rollers in the garage to play.

12-09-2013, 08:53 PM	#153
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes I'll let qualified SS racers use those engines for a match race. I suppose we could run one at 9, or 9.5 lbs. and the other at 10.5, or 11 lbs. per cube. They need to give me a little time to get them ready. The two 750 cfm carbs run nearly identical on the track, and the dyno. The LS engine deal, I don't know. Doesn't interest me, but, like I say, if that's more popular, knock yourself out. It just ain't for me. __________________ don,t have one

12-10-2013, 12:52 AM	#154
killintime6968 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Whitecourt,Alberta,Canada Posts: 236 Likes: 4,632 Liked 91 Times in 29 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes I think 3 classes 9.5 , 10.5 and 11.5 ci per pound 360ci max. Spec type head , 12.5comp max. No exotic valve train. 750 max lift cam. No custom grinds, off the shelf only. Crank trigger ok. Single 4bbl with 950cfm or dual 4bbl with 660cfm each max. No exotic carb mods. Cast manifolds with port matching only. 4 or 5spd trans using a clutch to shift. Single disc only.

12-10-2013, 06:41 AM	#155
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Or, 9, 10, and 11 lbs. per cube. Max 360 fine. Min. wt. 3,000 lbs. I do know in my experience, 2 fours is a tenth quicker then my best single four. Love everything about your idea but the 12.5 compression. With these heads, and even 360 cubes, it's hard to get 13.5 to one. I know they'll do it, but really don't see an issue. Anyone willing to furnish the car? Come on guys. I need a little time. Look, if you blow it up, it's no skin off your ***. I'll just be out a motor. I'm not asking anyone to loan me a car, just be the test pilot for this. __________________ don,t have one

12-10-2013, 10:29 AM	#157
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes I have ideas to make it real simple, real affordable, and really easy to police. And also, real entertaining, and real competitive. But, these are just my ideas, and don't expect everyone to agree. __________________ don,t have one

12-10-2013, 01:57 PM	#159
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: OLD Modified Corvettes Don't matter to me what pounds per cube you allow, but most SS cars are in the 3,000 range. Min. WT. And max. WT. Should cure that. Ran at 3,000 lbs. My whole life. And constant breakage is not a problem __________________ don,t have one