Hemi Head Ruling

Erik Jones · 03-05-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by David Barton

I feel like we're going in circles. Nobody over here asked for any rule amendments, just enforcement. Stop making it like it was our idea.

Here is an email I received that you wrote to NHRA accusing us of cheating with external mods.

Car 403H

I respectfully request a waiver of my external modification violation just for the Dutch Classic next month. The external bolts are a safety upgrade, not performance. The 4 1/4" allen bolts are visible and will be removed when the motor comes out after the Dutch (unless I don't get to go?). However, the Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine. These are clearly "external modifications" as well. (Not to mention overmilling of the head rail). Of course, if no one else had external mods, I would not even ask. It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all.

"Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine." - I don't appreciate you sending NHRA letters stating we are illegal when we are clearly not. The "adapters" you speak of are simply valve cover spacers because our rocker system became taller. You should have been looking at CW's stuff instead because his engines did have adapter plates for his overmilled heads.

"It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all." - You were one of the guys asking NHRA to change the ruling just because you didn't understand the rule book. Maybe they can get a French copy for you to read.

Hey David,

I was informed from the NHRA tech Dept today that there is Hemi Head casting that is approved for us that has no manifold bolt holes and no pushrod holes. I was told i could get them from you.... Do you have any in stock?

Thanks

jaythorne · 03-06-2013, 01:52 AM

Do they look like this?

Dinsdale · 03-06-2013, 04:46 AM

Nope... looks more like this!

SSDA Hemi · 03-06-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik Jones

Hey David,

I was informed from the NHRA tech Dept today that there is Hemi Head casting that is approved for us that has no manifold bolt holes and no pushrod holes. I was told i could get them from you.... Do you have any in stock?

Thanks

Its been out for over a year available to all through Mopar

jaythorne · 03-06-2013, 08:22 AM

This is like hemigate.....who's a__ you have to have your head up to get those????..... What's the part no? ......559ruintheclass?

SSDA Hemi · 03-06-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jaythorne

What's the part no? ......559ruintheclass?

Thats the latest M1 head. They were in the Mopar catalog 3 months before they were out. I guess no one reads the catalog…

Mine came from a Chrysler dealer. I'm sure David will sell anyone a set.

SSDA Hemi · 03-06-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jaythorne

This is like hemigate.....who's a__ you have to have your head up to get those????

Over the counter parts. Just have to do your homework…

jaythorne · 03-06-2013, 09:40 AM

MY BAD..... didnt know about them...silly really...part of blame here comes from mopar....shouldnt let out partially machined heads to superstock...i havent seen a printed mopar catalog in a while ...just looked and the catalog on mopars website is from 2010.......why just not have a bare casting available???.....

Jeff Lee · 03-06-2013, 10:37 AM

Damn one percenters are screwing up the entire country!

Tony DePillo · 03-06-2013, 01:33 PM

I've sat back and watched this nonsense without saying a word, even though it affects some of my customers and myself. I figured that NHRA would rule in favor of preserving the car count, which they have, almost. As many of you know, I've been playing this game for a while. Now I find out that my combination will suffer the collateral damage as a result of a few cry babies not being able to keep their pie hole shut.
I've been using cylinder heads with the valve cover attaching holes blown through for twenty years, been through tear down dozens of times, never a problem because the tech guys knew the compound angle issue on a hemi and as long as the important stuff was right, there was no problem. Clutchless gearboxes, lifter angle's changed, lifter positions moved welded ports, moved port positions sheetmetal tunnel rams, and on and on. So now we are going to worry about a how much of an original1/4 bolt hole remains, and rat out each other based on who can skate that rule the best?
Look at the rest of your bogus car before you start this kind of crap, I have. The first time I have a problem because of this silliness, I will point it out to the proper officials. You shouldn't start this kind of stuff unless either your own program is 100% legit or your racing with a bunch of idiots. Trust me, you're wrong on both counts.

03-06-2013, 01:52 AM	#2
jaythorne Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 45 Likes: 4 Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Hemi Head Ruling Do they look like this? Attached Thumbnails

03-06-2013, 04:46 AM	#3
Dinsdale Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 313 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Hemi Head Ruling Nope... looks more like this! __________________ Dale Posnick

03-06-2013, 08:22 AM	#5
jaythorne Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 45 Likes: 4 Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Hemi Head Ruling This is like hemigate.....who's a__ you have to have your head up to get those????..... What's the part no? ......559ruintheclass?

03-06-2013, 09:40 AM	#8
jaythorne Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 45 Likes: 4 Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Hemi Head Ruling MY BAD..... didnt know about them...silly really...part of blame here comes from mopar....shouldnt let out partially machined heads to superstock...i havent seen a printed mopar catalog in a while ...just looked and the catalog on mopars website is from 2010.......why just not have a bare casting available???.....

03-06-2013, 10:37 AM	#9
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Hemi Head Ruling Damn one percenters are screwing up the entire country! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

03-06-2013, 01:33 PM	#10
Tony DePillo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hemi Head Ruling I've sat back and watched this nonsense without saying a word, even though it affects some of my customers and myself. I figured that NHRA would rule in favor of preserving the car count, which they have, almost. As many of you know, I've been playing this game for a while. Now I find out that my combination will suffer the collateral damage as a result of a few cry babies not being able to keep their pie hole shut. I've been using cylinder heads with the valve cover attaching holes blown through for twenty years, been through tear down dozens of times, never a problem because the tech guys knew the compound angle issue on a hemi and as long as the important stuff was right, there was no problem. Clutchless gearboxes, lifter angle's changed, lifter positions moved welded ports, moved port positions sheetmetal tunnel rams, and on and on. So now we are going to worry about a how much of an original1/4 bolt hole remains, and rat out each other based on who can skate that rule the best? Look at the rest of your bogus car before you start this kind of crap, I have. The first time I have a problem because of this silliness, I will point it out to the proper officials. You shouldn't start this kind of stuff unless either your own program is 100% legit or your racing with a bunch of idiots. Trust me, you're wrong on both counts.