Hemi Head Ruling

[wendell howes]

David We only asked nhra if we could cut into the vavle cover bolt holes on the vc surface like you and were told no.I dont think your camp liked this as it would effect your heads so this is why we have the rule of the day.

[Spyphish]

Two scoop, even your publicist has Barton-ism. He failed to post the rest of that email (which I copied your guys when I wrote it).

"I will be glad to poll the AH racers planning on attending, the race sponser and track owner for permission as well. If anyone has any issue, I will not race. I have been an avid supporter of this class and have donated over $15k in purse money over the last two years. I would like to attend this last race. Thank you in advance for your consideration. Stephen Hebert "

As hard as I work to promote the class, your killing it. I live "under the bus" so sticks and stones. Bring your comp elim junk down here and set the AH record. Hum??? spacer?? external mod??? = GLASS HOUSE

PS. Thought you had a business to run?? Get off the internet. (Screwhead Steve)

[cutta]

So would a taller fabricated valve cover have sufficed in this situation or just weld the spacer to the bottom of the valve cover? I mean, I would assume most are raising the spring height to squeeze out a little more lift if the engine can use it.

[Dan Bernay]

I've read all the posts and I don't claim to know a damn thing about hemi heads, just want to ask where do you guys go from here?
Even if you can come up with a solution everyone can live with, 5 minutes from then someone will be trying to get around the new rule( nature of the beast).
Pandoras' box has been opened, I don't envy you guys.
Hope something good comes out of this because as a fan I really enjoy watching you guys race!

[Spyphish]

Originally Posted by David Barton

No disrespect towards anyone, but I'm sorry you and the Reher & Morrison gang didn't realize what the rules were

dem·a·gogue
noun\ˈde-mə-ˌgäg\
Definition of DEMAGOGUE
1 : a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power


2: a leader championing the cause of the common people in ancient times

Common usage, one who uses rhetoric and propaganda to gain power that would not be given if truth and logic held sway.


Definition of HEMIGOGUE
hem·i·gogue
noun\ˈhe-mi-ˌgäg\

1: a person who makes use of unpopular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain horsepower

2: a person not championing the cause of Super Stock people in modern times

3: a charter member of the entitlement generation where everything is everyone else’s fault

4: a person who surfs classracer instead of operating Daddy’s CNC machine

Common usage, one who uses rhetoric and propaganda to gain horsepower that would not be given if truth and logic held sway.

[rognelson777]

I crew on a comp team, so I have no skin in the game but I do have a observation. After 50 plus years of class racing NHRA is still checking cars the same old way (we will put a valve cover on the engine to see if it fits, really). Time for NHRA to step up and get in the 90's (when CNC machining became popular) and upgrade their technical departments measuring systems. Nascar now uses a 28 point body laser measuring system at the track along with body templates to measure their cars. There are also portable measuring arms that link to a computer to do measurements. Nhra could put a system together to measure all their cars, TF FC Prostock, promod,

Also, NHRA could probably get the dimensions from the manufacturer's of the engine components,(I bet most manufacturer's will give coordinates with factory dimension's on it for measuring)
Probably could get a machine manufacturer to be a official NHRA supplier

Just my 2 cents

[FINESPLINE]

Originally Posted by rognelson777

I crew on a comp team, so I have no skin in the game but I do have a observation. After 50 plus years of class racing NHRA is still checking cars the same old way (we will put a valve cover on the engine to see if it fits, really). Time for NHRA to step up and get in the 90's (when CNC machining became popular) and upgrade their technical departments measuring systems. Nascar now uses a 28 point body laser measuring system at the track along with body templates to measure their cars. There are also portable measuring arms that link to a computer to do measurements. Nhra could put a system together to measure all their cars, TF FC Prostock, promod,

Also, NHRA could probably get the dimensions from the manufacturer's of the engine components,(I bet most manufacturer's will give coordinates with factory dimension's on it for measuring)
Probably could get a machine manufacturer to be a official NHRA supplier

Just my 2 cents

As you know ,the only upgrades the NHRA has performed are corporate paychecks and financial enhancements to the members and downgraded their responsibility to the members of the sportsman classes. They are truly out of touch with sportsman racing.

[Todd Boyer]

Originally Posted by FINESPLINE

They are truly out of touch with sportsman racing.

Which is a big part of the reason all this crap happened in the first place, and how the rule got pushed so far, then - not enforced - but changed !!!!! Very lame, NHRA.

[Erik Jones]

Originally Posted by David Barton

I feel like we're going in circles. Nobody over here asked for any rule amendments, just enforcement. Stop making it like it was our idea.

Here is an email I received that you wrote to NHRA accusing us of cheating with external mods.

Car 403H

I respectfully request a waiver of my external modification violation just for the Dutch Classic next month. The external bolts are a safety upgrade, not performance. The 4 1/4" allen bolts are visible and will be removed when the motor comes out after the Dutch (unless I don't get to go?). However, the Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine. These are clearly "external modifications" as well. (Not to mention overmilling of the head rail). Of course, if no one else had external mods, I would not even ask. It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all.

"Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine." - I don't appreciate you sending NHRA letters stating we are illegal when we are clearly not. The "adapters" you speak of are simply valve cover spacers because our rocker system became taller. You should have been looking at CW's stuff instead because his engines did have adapter plates for his overmilled heads.

"It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all." - You were one of the guys asking NHRA to change the ruling just because you didn't understand the rule book. Maybe they can get a French copy for you to read.

Hey David,

I was informed from the NHRA tech Dept today that there is Hemi Head casting that is approved for us that has no manifold bolt holes and no pushrod holes. I was told i could get them from you.... Do you have any in stock?

Thanks

[jaythorne]

Do they look like this?