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Old 03-04-2013, 10:13 AM   #1
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"la poule qui caquette est celui qui a pondu l'oeuf" Krazy Kajun for "The chicken that cackled is the one that laid the egg". The KKFC race would have been a brilliant idea to exposed the evil spirits of the class had NHRA not "excepted" us in the rule amendment. Too scoop is right, an older head like mine can't win. A single engine builder cackled for the rule amendment and got it. Cackled again starting this thread.

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:27 AM   #2
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:16 AM   #3
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Comme le tourne hemi
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:22 PM   #4
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"la poule qui caquette est celui qui a pondu l'oeuf" Krazy Kajun for "The chicken that cackled is the one that laid the egg". The KKFC race would have been a brilliant idea to exposed the evil spirits of the class had NHRA not "excepted" us in the rule amendment. Too scoop is right, an older head like mine can't win. A single engine builder cackled for the rule amendment and got it. Cackled again starting this thread.

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I feel like we're going in circles. Nobody over here asked for any rule amendments, just enforcement. Stop making it like it was our idea.

Here is an email I received that you wrote to NHRA accusing us of cheating with external mods.

Car 403H

I respectfully request a waiver of my external modification violation just for the Dutch Classic next month. The external bolts are a safety upgrade, not performance. The 4 1/4" allen bolts are visible and will be removed when the motor comes out after the Dutch (unless I don't get to go?). However, the Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine. These are clearly "external modifications" as well. (Not to mention overmilling of the head rail). Of course, if no one else had external mods, I would not even ask. It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all.

"Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine." - I don't appreciate you sending NHRA letters stating we are illegal when we are clearly not. The "adapters" you speak of are simply valve cover spacers because our rocker system became taller. You should have been looking at CW's stuff instead because his engines did have adapter plates for his overmilled heads.

"It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all." - You were one of the guys asking NHRA to change the ruling just because you didn't understand the rule book. Maybe they can get a French copy for you to read.

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Old 03-04-2013, 12:44 PM   #5
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David We only asked nhra if we could cut into the vavle cover bolt holes on the vc surface like you and were told no.I dont think your camp liked this as it would effect your heads so this is why we have the rule of the day.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:57 PM   #6
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Two scoop, even your publicist has Barton-ism. He failed to post the rest of that email (which I copied your guys when I wrote it).

"I will be glad to poll the AH racers planning on attending, the race sponser and track owner for permission as well. If anyone has any issue, I will not race. I have been an avid supporter of this class and have donated over $15k in purse money over the last two years. I would like to attend this last race. Thank you in advance for your consideration. Stephen Hebert "

As hard as I work to promote the class, your killing it. I live "under the bus" so sticks and stones. Bring your comp elim junk down here and set the AH record. Hum??? spacer?? external mod??? = GLASS HOUSE

PS. Thought you had a business to run?? Get off the internet. (Screwhead Steve)



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Old 03-04-2013, 03:31 PM   #7
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So would a taller fabricated valve cover have sufficed in this situation or just weld the spacer to the bottom of the valve cover? I mean, I would assume most are raising the spring height to squeeze out a little more lift if the engine can use it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:19 PM   #8
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I feel like we're going in circles. Nobody over here asked for any rule amendments, just enforcement. Stop making it like it was our idea.

Here is an email I received that you wrote to NHRA accusing us of cheating with external mods.

Car 403H

I respectfully request a waiver of my external modification violation just for the Dutch Classic next month. The external bolts are a safety upgrade, not performance. The 4 1/4" allen bolts are visible and will be removed when the motor comes out after the Dutch (unless I don't get to go?). However, the Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine. These are clearly "external modifications" as well. (Not to mention overmilling of the head rail). Of course, if no one else had external mods, I would not even ask. It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all.

"Barton cars are being allowed to race with visible adapter plates that hold valve covers and intakes to the engine." - I don't appreciate you sending NHRA letters stating we are illegal when we are clearly not. The "adapters" you speak of are simply valve cover spacers because our rocker system became taller. You should have been looking at CW's stuff instead because his engines did have adapter plates for his overmilled heads.

"It is my understanding that 2013 rule language will clear up head guidance for all." - You were one of the guys asking NHRA to change the ruling just because you didn't understand the rule book. Maybe they can get a French copy for you to read.
Hey David,

I was informed from the NHRA tech Dept today that there is Hemi Head casting that is approved for us that has no manifold bolt holes and no pushrod holes. I was told i could get them from you.... Do you have any in stock?

Thanks
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:52 AM   #9
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Do they look like this?
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:46 AM   #10
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Nope... looks more like this!

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