It's Time to combine

[442OLDS]

In 2013, it will be OK for anyone running a 3 speed automatic transmission to run a 2 speed trans and if you have a 2 speed you will be able to run a 3 speed.




With rules like this,might as well run everyone in the same class with the same horsepower rating.

[Marty Knox]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

In 2013, it will be OK for anyone running a 3 speed automatic transmission to run a 2 speed trans and if you have a 2 speed you will be able to run a 3 speed.

With rules like this,might as well run everyone in the same class with the same horsepower rating.

What about sticks? Will I be able to run a 4 speed if NHRA says my car (67 El Camino/230) only came with a 3 speed? You could get a 3 speed with overdrive with a 6 cylinder - how is that different than a 4 speed?

[Tony Janes]

Not at this time. The rule only applies to automatics.

[Jeff Lee]

Not that I communicate with every stick racer in the country but of those that I have spoken to, I've never heard one dissenting opinion on this.

I did ask Pat Cvengros @ NHRA two days ago; why or why not is the NHRA on board with this idea? He replied that it has been proposed by the S/SS representatives and a majority were not in favor of combining sticks & auto's.
Funny, nobody asked me and I haven't had a lapse in membership since 1992.

[Brad Zaskowski]

I think the stick and auto's combined would be cool! Especially if it makes class racing more prestigious again and brings in more class paying contingency sponsors. NHRA just needs to do like others have pointed and keep it simple, same hp ratings, and run at the same weights. If they combined and had everyone run at the auto hp ratings and auto indexes it would only affect less than 14% of the racers running stk and SS. Other than 14% more cars in the classes it wouldn’t affect the auto guys, and what do they care if a few stick cars are in their class everyone knows you can't win in a stick car.
As for the auto being better or worse than a stick for a certain combination, deal with it. Yes right now the stick cars have the auto cars covered in SS/AH but when Westcott was running with the automatic the auto cars were faster. If you think the stick is faster man up and put in a stick, if you think the auto is faster and want to turn in your man card go get an automatic.
I don’t think combining the two would do away with the sticks. Pretty much everyone with a stick car right now wouldn’t change if they were given an auto trans.

[rx dealer]

Originally Posted by Brad Zaskowski

I think the stick and auto's combined would be cool! Especially if it makes class racing more prestigious again and brings in more class paying contingency sponsors. NHRA just needs to do like others have pointed and keep it simple, same hp ratings, and run at the same weights. If they combined and had everyone run at the auto hp ratings and auto indexes it would only affect less than 14% of the racers running stk and SS. Other than 14% more cars in the classes it wouldn’t affect the auto guys, and what do they care if a few stick cars are in their class everyone knows you can't win in a stick car.
As for the auto being better or worse than a stick for a certain combination, deal with it. Yes right now the stick cars have the auto cars covered in SS/AH but when Westcott was running with the automatic the auto cars were faster. If you think the stick is faster man up and put in a stick, if you think the auto is faster and want to turn in your man card go get an automatic.
I don’t think combining the two would do away with the sticks. Pretty much everyone with a stick car right now wouldn’t change if they were given an auto trans.

X 100 well said Brad...everyone knows you can't win in a stick car...LMFAO!!..Luke SS 311

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Brad Zaskowski

I think the stick and auto's combined would be cool! Especially if it makes class racing more prestigious again and brings in more class paying contingency sponsors. NHRA just needs to do like others have pointed and keep it simple, same hp ratings, and run at the same weights. If they combined and had everyone run at the auto hp ratings and auto indexes it would only affect less than 14% of the racers running stk and SS. Other than 14% more cars in the classes it wouldn’t affect the auto guys, and what do they care if a few stick cars are in their class everyone knows you can't win in a stick car.
As for the auto being better or worse than a stick for a certain combination, deal with it. Yes right now the stick cars have the auto cars covered in SS/AH but when Westcott was running with the automatic the auto cars were faster. If you think the stick is faster man up and put in a stick, if you think the auto is faster and want to turn in your man card go get an automatic.
I don’t think combining the two would do away with the sticks. Pretty much everyone with a stick car right now wouldn’t change if they were given an auto trans.

Brad I'm getting that license plate made "Where's your man card?"

[Dave Tincher]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

Brad I'm getting that license plate made "Where's your man card?"

First off I respect all the stick racers, heck the ones I'm at the track with are stick guys and they love it. I personally choose to race a automatic and I love it does that make me less of a man? I received my man card in the US marines in 1994 and I still carry that card with me daily if you all think because what you choose to do or drive at the track makes you a man then that's fine, but if you want to see some real life scares that came with my man card stop by and check mine out sometime...... I'm all for combining sticks and autos if we make it a level playing field with the same hp ratings for them both....is that what you want.

I think you are taking that joke to seriously. First of all, thank you for your service to our great country.
Second, nobody is trying to draw a parallel between real word danger and sacrifice, and driving a race car. Please don't take it anyway other than some harmless ribbing.

Combine the Sticks and auto with the current factored HP.
The automatic technology is so far advanced, plus having the performance advantage of radial drag slicks. Something that stick cars don't run.

Originally Posted by Dave Tincher

First off I respect all the stick racers, heck the ones I'm at the track with are stick guys and they love it. I personally choose to race a automatic and I love it does that make me less of a man? I received my man card in the US marines in 1994 and I still carry that card with me daily if you all think because what you choose to do or drive at the track makes you a man then that's fine, but if you want to see some real life scares that came with my man card stop by and check mine out sometime...... I'm all for combining sticks and autos if we make it a level playing field with the same hp ratings for them both....is that what you want.

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Dave Tincher

First off I respect all the stick racers, heck the ones I'm at the track with are stick guys and they love it. I personally choose to race a automatic and I love it does that make me less of a man? I received my man card in the US marines in 1994 and I still carry that card with me daily if you all think because what you choose to do or drive at the track makes you a man then that's fine, but if you want to see some real life scares that came with my man card stop by and check mine out sometime...... I'm all for combining sticks and autos if we make it a level playing field with the same hp ratings for them both....is that what you want.

Brad and I joke about this all the time. I'm not out to offend anyone. In fact every race I go to I get the "why in the hell do you race a stick". I do it because my dad raced for 30 years with a stick. I was raised on it and choose to keep it going. I'm not trying to offend anyone. If you can't have fun with people at the races where can you?