Anyone test Renegade fuel ?

[Chris1529]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

We will probably test two of Renegade's fuels tomorrow, against Sunoco Supreme, which runs great in both cars. I'll be sending the data to my friend, Toby Baptiste, at Renegade.

We quit running C-11 years ago, it was nasty, and C-12 ran better. The problem with C-12 is it is ridiculously expensive, and we've had fresh C-12, from the VP drum, at the VP trailer fail fuel check, when fuel check was 30 feet away from the trailer. I ran VP for decades, but failing fuel check 3-5 times a year at $12 or more a gallon was just unacceptable.

If you buy it at the track from a truck that brought into the race to sell it, and it doesn't pass, they should be required to give you a refund plus supply you with fuel that will pass. plus be compensated for your trouble.
Why would or should a sealed 5 gal drum be any different than buying it out of a 30 or 55 gallon drum straight off the truck?

[Jack Matyas]

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Chris - I wish I could tell you with 100% certainty why but I've never had a customers gas have a problem that came out of a sealed 5 gallon pail - some say its because air hasn't got to it .I'm told shelf life starts the moment the can is opened .

[Michael Beard]

VP has a high pop-off rate (ie., unstable). I've had Sunoco laying around from one year to the next with no issues.

I think many of the 'new' names in the fuel business are offshoots from when the Torco empire crashed. I found Torco to be very similar to Sunoco. Good fuel, and stable.

Remember when testing different fuels you may need to change your jetting. Different fuels can have different sized fuel molecules, changing your mixture.

[Ed Wright]

After changing the tune up, mine likes C11. I have never had a problem with fuel check. Even after sitting in plastic fuel jugs for the winter.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

After changing the tune up, mine likes C11. I have never had a problem with fuel check. Even after sitting in plastic fuel jugs for the winter.

Ed, What is your routine when storing the car for a few weeks between races?
Was told with VP it is wise to fog the engine with Marvel Mystery Oil. This involves changing to old plugs for the fog down. At the next race restart with old plugs when MMO burns off install good plugs.
I run a fuel injected car also and wonder about the caustic chemicals in VP.

Thanks

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed, What is your routine when storing the car for a few weeks between races?
Was told with VP it is wise to fog the engine with Marvel Mystery Oil. This involves changing to old plugs for the fog down. At the next race restart with old plugs when MMO burns off install good plugs.
I run a fuel injected car also and wonder about the caustic chemicals in VP.

Thanks

Frank, I think fogging it is a good idea with any fuel. I've never had any problems with plug either. Mine clean right up. Maybe I don't fog mine as heavy?

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Frank, I think fogging it is a good idea with any fuel. I've never had any problems with plug either. Mine clean right up. Maybe I don't fog mine as heavy?

This is new to me personally. have always run Sunoco with no problem until recently. My local supplier has handling issues which bit me @ E-Town. Along with the possible closure of the PA refinery that has been making the race fuel.
Ran VP C-12 the end of last season. The exhaust valves were really beat up. Was told that is an issue with VP. Need to fog the engine when stored for more than a few days. The funny thing is that some racers who do not fog their engines make some of the best runs before the freshen up that exposed the beat up valve. So go figure but I would rather the engine come apart clean.

Frank

[Mike Croley]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

VP has a high pop-off rate (ie., unstable). I've had Sunoco laying around from one year to the next with no issues.

I think many of the 'new' names in the fuel business are offshoots from when the Torco empire crashed. I found Torco to be very similar to Sunoco. Good fuel, and stable.

Remember when testing different fuels you may need to change your jetting. Different fuels can have different sized fuel molecules, changing your mixture.

Michael is correct as usual . Changing to different brands of race gas , even the same octane rating , will sometimes require a jet change and always requires checking the float levels . The jet change is only required if the specific gravity ( density ) of the fuels differs by more than 2% . For instance going from .710 SG to .715 SG would require no jet change . However , going from .710 SG to .721 ( or the other way around ) would probably require a change in jetting of 1 step . The plug readings will be your guide .And any change at all in specific gravity means it would be a good idea to check the float levels in the carb (s) .