Stock seat clarification please

[Dinsdale]

Percentage wise, out of all the drag strip passes in a year, how many Stock Eliminator cars actually crash? You can't compare road racing or any other motorsport so that argument for light weight seats doesn't wash. I agree with Rory in that all the allowed "safety" and other improvements have long ago taken "Stock" out of Stock Class racing. I still thnk there is something wrong with a system that lets a Stock car cross over into Super Stock and still be a legitimate qualifier. Seems like one and the same car to me.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Percentage wise, out of all the drag strip passes in a year, how many Stock Eliminator cars actually crash? You can't compare road racing or any other motorsport so that argument for light weight seats doesn't wash. I agree with Rory in that all the allowed "safety" and other improvements have long ago taken "Stock" out of Stock Class racing. I still thnk there is something wrong with a system that lets a Stock car cross over into Super Stock and still be a legitimate qualifier. Seems like one and the same car to me.

With all the new cars going even faster, in lighter classes, I will guarantee the rate of on track incidents is going to go up sharply.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

With all the new cars going even faster, in lighter classes, I will guarantee the rate of on track incidents is going to go up sharply.

Verifiable data? They said the same thing when the Hemi Cudas and Darts started running over 130. History has proven otherwise.

History also suggests that when the rules start allowing modifications to systems that the auto manufacturers spent millions to engineer to provide safe cars, people screw up and cause more accidents than the equipment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for safe racing. Just don't "OSHA" yourself into making claims that are based on rationalized fear-based emotions rather than on the real world. How many people have been killed by three-year old seat belts? How many five-year old scattershields have failed?

[Run to Rund]

If the belts were left out in the sun all the time, with rain and salt air, they would eventually lose strength. Yet, the racing organizations with the kind of cars that are left out don't seem to require frequent replacements. As for bell housings, I guess metal evaporates off of them so fast that they will fail after 5 years, lol.

[Mickey Whaley]

A racing seat would be better thats common sense and it is no advantage in performance, NHRA should allow them if you want them, only the driver seat, if you dont Dont. Did they teach common sense in school?

[Mark Yacavone]

Guys, I've modified plenty of stock seats to where they would still pass tech.
I've taken every other spring out of back seats to lighten then , and I've cut a slot into a driver's high back bucket for a Y- harness to pass through, then padded the slot and had it re-upholstered.
I've welded the adjusters and even the hinge up and I've braced up the seat brackets under the floor board.
I never had a problem needing to get anything approved...Never asked.

So, I would say;
A ,
If you're afraid to race with stock seat, modify it yourself. Of course, they might end up HEAVIER.
Or B,
Get yourself a slower car. You don't see Jody Lang on here complaining about his seats, do you?

[Aubrey N Bruneau]

I sure hope they don't end up requiring aftermarket seats...I just spent $1300 getting my factory seat re-upholstered !!!

[dartman]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Guys, I've modified plenty of stock seats to where they would still pass tech.
I've taken every other spring out of back seats to lighten then , and I've cut a slot into a driver's high back bucket for a Y- harness to pass through, then padded the slot and had it re-upholstered.
I've welded the adjusters and even the hinge up and I've braced up the seat brackets under the floor board.
I never had a problem needing to get anything approved...Never asked.

So, I would say;
A ,
If you're afraid to race with stock seat, modify the yourself. Of course, they might end up HEAVIER.
Or B,
Get yourself a slower car. You don't see Jody Lang on here complaining about his seats, do you?

Not trying to be a *****,but were does it say you can modify your sit.Driver’s seat tracks may be bolted down but you can't do any other modification or it would say you can,so you are not allowed the pull spring to make it lighter


UPHOLSTERY
Must have full factory-type upholstery for year/model claimed,
including factory-type floor mats or carpet, door panels and
headliner, and front and rear seats. Interior gutting prohibited.
Driver’s seat tracks may be bolted down. Sun visors optional. Rear
seat may be removed when roll bar is installed; area must be
carpeted or upholstered equivalent to factory specifications (no
bare paneling). See General Regulations 6:2.

just because it doesn't say you can't doesn't mean you can.


but maybe under this for safety I'm not sure

HOW TO USE THIS RULEBOOK
The NHRA Rulebook provides guidelines and minimum standards
for the construction and operation of vehicles used in NHRA
Championship Drag Racing and at member-track events. It is the
responsibility of the participant to be familiar with the contents of
this Rulebook and to comply with its requirements. Do not leave it
up to track officials to catch all potential rule compliance problems.
That responsibility rests first and foremost with YOU — the
participant.
Additional safety equipment or safety-enhancing equipment is
always permitted and the levels of safety equipment stated in
this Rulebook are minimum prescribed levels for a particular
type of competition and do not prohibit the individual racer
from using additional safety equipment. Participants are
encouraged to investigate the utility of additional safety
devices for your type of competition. In disputed cases,
whether an item of equipment is safety-enhancing or
performance-enhancing will be determined by NHRA in
NHRA’s sole and absolute discretion.
On the other hand, as to performance equipment, it is the
general rule that unless optional performance equipment or
performance-related modification is specifically permitted by
this Rulebook, it is prohibited. All model, engine, or equipment
changes or modifications not specifically addressed in this
Rulebook must be submitted in writing to NHRA for
consideration prior to competition. Approval will be granted or
denied in NHRA’s sole and absolute discretion. The applicant
will be notified of approval or rejection in writing from NHRA
headquarters in Glendora, Calif.


BTW I've done the same mods as you to my own seat.even with the springs

[Jeff Lee]

Additional safety equipment or safety-enhancing equipment is
always permitted and the levels of safety equipment stated in
this Rulebook are minimum prescribed levels for a particular
type of competition and do not prohibit the individual racer
from using additional safety equipment. Participants are
encouraged to investigate the utility of additional safety
devices for your type of competition. In disputed cases,
whether an item of equipment is safety-enhancing or
performance-enhancing will be determined by NHRA in
NHRA’s sole and absolute discretion.

The problem with a big number of racers is they have never opened the rule book up and would rather jump on the internet for advice than make a decision on their own. If one were to read the rule above, you would understand what Mark Y. is suggesting is allowable. He is, however, taking a chance that one NHRA tech official may not agree with the safety modifications and could be subject to discipline. However, I'd bet there aint ONE tech official that would do so.
The bottom line: "safety" is bantered about as code word for "performance".

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by clutch man

This is typical you dont want a real seat available BUT, you will break the rules to try to make one?????

Not what I said, Clutch This.

What I said was , rather than lobbying for The Expenditure of The Week, if you have a weak , or problem area, fix it . If you need a slot for a Y harness or crotch strap to make it line up in a safe manner , do it professionally, and no tech man is going to say anything. Nobody is going to look under your seat cover to see if you strengthened something up.
Of course, a 3 time World Champion would know that, wouldn't he?