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Old 07-27-2011, 08:08 PM   #1
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I agree with the higher hp and torque with better air.

But does XYZ converter stall at say 500 ft lbs no matter what? When you have better air, lets say the torque curve shifts up 10 ft*lbs. What is the phyiscs that sets stall speed? Or is it actually a stall torque that fits particular engines differently due to the engines torque curve?

So in better air, you have to increase rpm more until the torque drops off to the 500 ft*lb value, hence higher stall speed.
Chris , I could give you an answer ,but I don't know how to explain it in technical terms.
It's kinda like, I know that Christina Hendricks works for me, but I can't put that in words either. LOL
It has to do with hydraulic pressure, generated centrifugally and the shear, or over -ride point.
Maybe we need an engineer to explain it. Rusty 3011?
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:30 PM   #2
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Lenny from Ultimate where are you when we need you. This is good stuff.
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:29 PM   #3
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Yes Mark,
It is all explained in Fluid Dynamics. Anyone beside me still have their College books? Chris?
A good converter guy that understands it can do all kinds of nice things to a converter. It is just like with a camshaft: There is more to it than lift and duration. Same thing for converters: more to it than slip, stall and flash.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:41 PM   #4
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Fluid coupling is also known as a turbine, brain fart at my end. My fluid dynamics book has maybe 10 pages if that. I'll review it tommorow and see if it makes more sense then.

Thanks for jogging my memory Adger.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:07 PM   #5
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Chris,
I knew you would remember it!
Pay close attention to fluid velocity. I bet there are a few interesting refrences to it.
When I was working with Jet boats and racing them I kept my old books on my headboard. Wrong wife #2 couldn't understand what/why I was reading in the middle of the night making notes. :~)
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:15 PM   #6
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Fluid coupling is also known as a turbine, brain fart at my end. My fluid dynamics book has maybe 10 pages if that. I'll review it tommorow and see if it makes more sense then.

Thanks for jogging my memory Adger.
Rermember, a torque converter is a fluid coupling, where a fluid coupling is not always a torque converter.
A fluid coupling doesn't necessarily multiply anything.
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That is why a torque converter has a section called a "Pump".. :~)
Most fluid couplings (simple explanation) operate like similar fans blowing air on another.
AH! Weedhopper, what happens when we change the size and pitch of the blades on one of the fans? :~)
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