2011 ahfs

[Adger Smith]

Good idea about races without AHFS. At least make record runs exempt from AHFS. What are records supposed to represent? The guy that can save index or HP or the guy that can go the fastest?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Good idea about races without AHFS. At least make record runs exempt from AHFS. What are records supposed to represent? The guy that can save index or HP or the guy that can go the fastest?

Kinda reminds me of PINKS All Out. In a best out of 3 final, one guy gets there first, but loses the round because he "ran too fast". I've heard they give these guys as much as .10 or .20 breakout to work with. If the guy makes one lap that's .20 quicker than what he got in the show with, and his opponent has *actually* been running his car all out the whole time... umm... isn't it kind of ridiculous to just DQ the one run that was .20 "too fast", and then line them up again thinking that the slower car has any real shot? The only challenge for the fast guy is figuring out how to cover his opponent just enough to hide his tremendous performance advantage (which had ALREADY been displayed!) .... Sound familiar?

They have non-AHFS races... they're called S/SS Combos... (and if I understand things right, haven't "Altitude" races been this way, for all intents and purposes?)

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Good idea about races without AHFS. At least make record runs exempt from AHFS. What are records supposed to represent? The guy that can save index or HP or the guy that can go the fastest?

Races without any AHFS limits happen all the time. They are usually called Combo races. Several Stock/SS associations and local tracks put them on across the country all year long. Anyone wanting to put on an independent Stock or S/S race can step up and promote one anytime they want.

At LODRS events record runs are a part of qualifying. Qualifying falls under the guidelines of the AHFS. National Opens are not qualified fields yet records can be set. But is it right for a car that is not factored correctly to set the record representing a class? The AHFS is all about factoring cars correctly shown by on track performance once they have been accepted to race.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

[K Stubbs]

I think the idea is more in line with the race Pat has in addition to the Sports Nationals, it appears that it is very popular among the class winners and a fun race. Absolutely nothing like "Pinks".

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

Races without any AHFS limits happen all the time. They are usually called Combo races. Several Stock/SS associations and local tracks put them on across the country all year long. Anyone wanting to put on an independent Stock or S/S race can step up and promote one anytime they want.

At LODRS events record runs are a part of qualifying. Qualifying falls under the guidelines of the AHFS. National Opens are not qualified fields yet records can be set. But is it right for a car that is not factored correctly to set the record representing a class? The AHFS is all about factoring cars correctly shown by on track performance once they have been accepted to race.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

what if they did away with the instant trigger but did a review monthly, based on averages?

[Adger Smith]

Travis,
Quote:But is it right for a car that is not factored correctly to set the record representing a class?

If he is best of class and has worked hard to be fast, why not? Not all fast cars are improperly factored. Some get fast from hard work, testing and having the right suspension setup. Your answer assumes a fast car doesn't have the right factor.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

what if they did away with the instant trigger but did a review monthly, based on averages?

You really expect a lot of work from Glendora..............................

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

You really expect a lot of work from Glendora..............................

well it was purely academics discussion, i didn't actually THINK anyone in Glendora would put the effort into it

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

well it was purely academics discussion, i didn't actually THINK anyone in Glendora would put the effort into it

The truth is, other than tech, the AHFS should be a purely hands off automatic system. Honestly, they should just plug in a weather station and let it work with the computer they already have. An Excel spreadsheet based look up table could automatically do the weather adjustments for each run to sea level. Another Excel spreadsheet based look up table could handle the run averaging. Properly written, the programming should produce an adjustment report every Monday after the racing is finished for the weekend on Sunday.

After all, they call it the AUTOMATIC Horsepower Factoring system, that's what it should be. With the computer software and hardware available today, as well as the programmers, the fact that it isn't truly automatic (although it should have human review) and it doesn't work well is a testament to how far things are off.

[Ed Wright]

Maybe I don't understand this. Go easy, I'm just an old dumb Okie, but if one guy who works real hard is really fast, hits the review trigger, but nobody else runs far enough under to get the average down, there is no factor change. Right? Doesn't the engine's average have to also be fast for a hit?

Evidently I don't understand it, since everybody is so unhappy.