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Old 10-28-2010, 10:04 AM   #1
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And the slow cars conveniently forget the advantages they have, not seeing the other car leave first, less time on the chip, the converter, and the brakes, as well as less worry about the rapidly growing problem of questionable track prep.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:30 AM   #2
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I have only met a few racers that honestly prefer being the slower car all the rest are just racers that say that because they can't afford to be the fastest car. We've had the Xmas tree since the early 60's but until the reaction timer was introduced the slower car didn't know he had done a better job of driving only to be eliminated. Just as the best light's reward comes as a finish line cushion. The worst red light should be grounds for elimination. I'd like to hear some more about all those advantages that the slower cars have other than costs. LOL Maybe the rules haven't changed in the past 45 years but a whole bunch of variables sure have been introduced in that time that these old rules do not take into account.
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Old 10-31-2010, 05:37 PM   #3
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I have only met a few racers that honestly prefer being the slower car all the rest are just racers that say that because they can't afford to be the fastest car. We've had the Xmas tree since the early 60's but until the reaction timer was introduced the slower car didn't know he had done a better job of driving only to be eliminated. Just as the best light's reward comes as a finish line cushion. The worst red light should be grounds for elimination. I'd like to hear some more about all those advantages that the slower cars have other than costs. LOL Maybe the rules haven't changed in the past 45 years but a whole bunch of variables sure have been introduced in that time that these old rules do not take into account.
Well said Bimbo Jones, well said..
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Old 10-31-2010, 05:51 PM   #4
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Iwould think of the worst foul rule as drag racing welfare.I don't need it.I think the pressure
of being the first makes me a better racer.Not necessarily a good one ,but a better one than I think I would be.
Why does everybody want to keep changing the rules?We need to change NHRA's
attitude towards enforcing them.The rule book,if followed correctly is pretty damn good as it is.
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Iwould think of the worst foul rule as drag racing welfare.I don't need it.I think the pressure
of being the first makes me a better racer.Not necessarily a good one ,but a better one than I think I would be.
Why does everybody want to keep changing the rules?We need to change NHRA's
attitude towards enforcing them.The rule book,if followed correctly is pretty damn good as it is.
Ed -- Good thing its Holloween because its downright scary that you and I agree on this ............ leave the Rulebook alone .BTW , Tommy has been telling me lately that his ears are ringing -- now , after reading about your engine exit I understand why .
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jack matayas... you do remember i had the rule changed to allow 3 speed automatics in 1957 - 1961 full size chevys due to the 3 speed turboglide ... only high HP 348s and 6 cylinders cannot use the 3 speed.

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why the stupid valve spring rule ?
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jack matayas... you do remember i had the rule changed to allow 3 speed automatics in 1957 - 1961 full size chevys due to the 3 speed turboglide ... only high HP 348s and 6 cylinders cannot use the 3 speed.

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why the stupid valve spring rule ?
Speaking of valve springs what's the open/closed specs on the various CJ and DP springs?Seems like someone said once on here that if you limited the open pressure specs then all the exotic stuff you see now would be useless and more parity would result.
If you limit the older combos and the factory specs on the new cars are somewhere near the front end coil spring #s on my car,then you hurt the older combos even more than they are now.Can someone explain this in a rational manner?
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And the slow cars conveniently forget the advantages they have, not seeing the other car leave first, less time on the chip, the converter, and the brakes, as well as less worry about the rapidly growing problem of questionable track prep.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.
I don't see how it could be stated better than this. Only a slow car that always leaves first could fail to see the other side. I'm in the middle, I do both. I prefer to not having to have the other car distract me, I prefer to leave first. Faster cars don't worry about being green when they have already won. I'll take a shot I wouldn't normally take if I already won, just to see if I can get away with it. I know I'm not the only one.
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If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

Alan,correct me if I'm wrong.Not one of the slower cars guys have complained about the advantages the faster cars have.It seems some of the prissy faster guys have bitched about the distraction of us slower guys leaving.
Try closing it up on a guy going 25-now almost 55 mph faster than you.We don't.We just go out there and do our best.
I really feel for the higher class guys contending with the new cars heads up.As far as the red light rule,suck it up boys and live with it.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

I've lived by an airport and it never did bother me.Maybe some of the bitchers/moaners lived near a dump.That would explain a lot.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:21 PM   #10
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If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

Alan,correct me if I'm wrong.Not one of the slower cars guys have complained about the advantages the faster cars have.It seems some of the prissy faster guys have bitched about the distraction of us slower guys leaving.
Try closing it up on a guy going 25-now almost 55 mph faster than you.We don't.We just go out there and do our best.
I really feel for the higher class guys contending with the new cars heads up.As far as the red light rule,suck it up boys and live with it.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

I've lived by an airport and it never did bother me.Maybe some of the bitchers/moaners lived near a dump.That would explain a lot.

Ed,
When the idea of the AA class was proposed, a few of the slower guys complained bitterly that the fast cars were already fast enough, and had enough advantages.That's just one example.

I think this whole thing is way overblown. I wouldn't throw a fit if they did change it. I just don't see the case for doing so as being so overwhelming. There are a few advantages to slow cars, and a few to fast cars, it seems to be about level. I think a lot of people build fast cars because they like to go fast. I know I have zero interest in racing anything slower than an 11 second car. But that's just my personal preference. I certainly wouldn't be all bent about it changing like some of these guys seem to be about it not being changed. I wasn't playing the game then, but I'd have never had a complaint with people deep staging.
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