Once again a bogus combination

[Larry Hill]

Ken you will win class again if: You race Big Daddy, Get a new NEW car, race another carbuerated car without Santa Clause parts or all the new Fords and Challengers BREAK.

Good luck! To my knowledge Fletcher has been the only car to beat a new car heads up.

[Ken Miele]

Geez Larry, I didn't know my odds of wining class were that good, thanks man. Oh oh oh oh.......don't for get if I am the only one in the class.

Man, do I love this sport!

[Another Friendly Racer]

Who did Fletcher beat "heads-up"? To my knowledge, the only one of these new factory $%&#-boxes to lose "heads-up" was Drooze to Robbie Shaw.

[Larry Hill]

Ken I hope you do win often, but it does not look promising. I figure you are down 100 hp to the 08 and 10 Mustangs. Thats your flywheel hp. compared to the rear wheel hp of the supercharged Mustangs.

3131 was a no show against Shaw

Friendly Racer use your real name and get some answers.

[Evan Smith]

Bruce, I'm not arguing the HP ratings, as no one would want to race against an underrated car. But where does that leave the other underrated combos that are seemingly obscure?

There are some very unhappy racers, but also quality cars/drivers who are giving it there all. One example is Shaul, who isn't afraid to drag that bad Wedge across the country and race no matter who shows up. He and many others, like Kenny, are going out to race. I'm sure you've talked to a lot of racers, but so have I, and I can find plenty of positive opinions as well the negative ones.

If Teuton put a stick in the Challenger and beat me by two tenths I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be screaming on the Internet. Guys have had me by that amount or more in the past and I found a way to improve my car.

You believe that Stock will be 50 percent full of these cars and that is just not going to be the reality. You may feel that even one is too many, but I doubt that those who love racing and have a big investment in racing will quit because a few cars are faster no matter what the cause.

As for the AHFS, it will never be 100-percent effective until every run counts and the altitude tracks have a real adjustment with runs there counting, too.

[Evan Smith]

Bruce, here is a thought, and nothing more—how about instead of separating the new cars, we create Stock GT, where you can run any approved engine from the same manufacturer, in any car. Don't create new classes (like Super Stock), but allow the cars to fall where they will based on HP and weight. Then GM could simply supply similar engines and all of the three current makes could benefit. Racers would only need to build a new engine to take advantage of better hp factors (until they get hit, that is) without the expense of building a new car.

I know, this is not in the spirit of Stock, it's just an idea, so everyone cilll out, but it's an idea nonetheless. Racers are always saying old parts are hard to get, so here is a chance to get around that by running a new engine in an existing car. This keeps the muscle cars in Stock.

[BlueOval Ralph]

Brillant Crate Motors in stock!! Why not take it one steep further Crate Motor Supe Stock???

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Bruce, here is a thought, and nothing more—how about instead of separating the new cars, we create Stock GT, where you can run any approved engine from the same manufacturer, in any car. Don't create new classes (like Super Stock), but allow the cars to fall where they will based on HP and weight. Then GM could simply supply similar engines and all of the three current makes could benefit. Racers would only need to build a new engine to take advantage of better hp factors (until they get hit, that is) without the expense of building a new car.

I know, this is not in the spirit of Stock, it's just an idea, so everyone cilll out, but it's an idea nonetheless. Racers are always saying old parts are hard to get, so here is a chance to get around that by running a new engine in an existing car. This keeps the muscle cars in Stock.

[B Aceves]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Bruce, I'm not arguing the HP ratings, as no one would want to race against an underrated car. But where does that leave the other underrated combos that are seemingly obscure?

There are some very unhappy racers, but also quality cars/drivers who are giving it there all. One example is Shaul, who isn't afraid to drag that bad Wedge across the country and race no matter who shows up. He and many others, like Kenny, are going out to race. I'm sure you've talked to a lot of racers, but so have I, and I can find plenty of positive opinions as well the negative ones.

If Teuton put a stick in the Challenger and beat me by two tenths I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be screaming on the Internet. Guys have had me by that amount or more in the past and I found a way to improve my car.

You believe that Stock will be 50 percent full of these cars and that is just not going to be the reality. You may feel that even one is too many, but I doubt that those who love racing and have a big investment in racing will quit because a few cars are faster no matter what the cause.

As for the AHFS, it will never be 100-percent effective until every run counts and the altitude tracks have a real adjustment with runs there counting, too.

Ya ok, Its esay to sit here and say that now, Wait till those racers you mention has their
--S handed to them by these cars. I know for a fact a good racer that has been frustrated with these cars enough to sell all his good equipment in a A/SA early Camaro and put the car back on the street. Its a joke to watch a CJ leave in a heads up race when the car next to him gets to 60ft then pass him and hit the brakes. How is that Fun? please explain how you think if you work on your stuff enough you will pick up enough to be competitive with that ?? this otta be good!

Bob Aceves
#746 E/SA
A&M motorsports

[Bruce Noland]

Evan,
Why should nhra get away with these shenanigans when other Sports Associations would never consider such self serving (if not illegal) behavior? Can you please answer this question for me?

Stock GT is a non-starter. The crate motor cars belong in another series of classes within Stock or Super Stock.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Bruce, I'm not arguing the HP ratings, as no one would want to race against an underrated car. But where does that leave the other underrated combos that are seemingly obscure?

There are some very unhappy racers, but also quality cars/drivers who are giving it there all. One example is Shaul, who isn't afraid to drag that bad Wedge across the country and race no matter who shows up. He and many others, like Kenny, are going out to race. I'm sure you've talked to a lot of racers, but so have I, and I can find plenty of positive opinions as well the negative ones.

If Teuton put a stick in the Challenger and beat me by two tenths I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be screaming on the Internet. Guys have had me by that amount or more in the past and I found a way to improve my car.

You believe that Stock will be 50 percent full of these cars and that is just not going to be the reality. You may feel that even one is too many, but I doubt that those who love racing and have a big investment in racing will quit because a few cars are faster no matter what the cause.

As for the AHFS, it will never be 100-percent effective until every run counts and the altitude tracks have a real adjustment with runs there counting, too.

Evan, I just have to ask, if Jeff put a stick in his Challenger and beat you by .75 would you feel the same? Do you think you could find a way to "improve" your car that much, without dropping a 427 in that is? Jim


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