Oddball Muscle Cars

treessavoy · 03-03-2010, 01:23 AM

Bret might like this one, in 1966 I found a '65 Ply Valiant V200 station wagon for sale in PA that was a 273/235 hp, 4 sp, sure grip car.

In AL in a junk yard was the rarest Mopar probably ever found.....no it wasn't a Muscle Car, it was a Ply. Savoy, radio/heater delete, 3sp standard, rubber mat, 225 ci. car. In other words it was built with NO options. Unfortunately, the whole car was rusted out from the doors down and had two pine trees growing out of the trunk.

JimR

Mark Yacavone · 03-03-2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

Bret might like this one, in 1966 I found a '65 Ply Valiant V200 station wagon for sale in PA that was a 273/235 hp, 4 sp, sure grip car.

In AL in a junk yard was the rarest Mopar probably ever found.....no it wasn't a Muscle Car, it was a Ply. Savoy, radio/heater delete, 3sp standard, rubber mat, 225 ci. car. In other words it was built with NO options. Unfortunately, the whole car was rusted out from the doors down and had two pine trees growing out of the trunk.

JimR

Oh boy, now you've got me thinking about that one.
A 65 Dart wagon makes N/Stock with a 273/235/210, 4 speed. Doesn't even need a rollbar.
Paul Wong, Are you listening?

http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/forsale/65dartwagon/

Paul Ceasrine · 03-03-2010, 04:34 AM

Hey,That 4-speed wagon had to come through with a factory Hurst shifter unit.And possibly, the special exhaust, with the rectangular-shaped/chrome-tipped exhaust tail..Never saw a 273/235 Commando in a wagon,,, but I know there were definitely a few built with the 235HP.
ODD-BALL and UGLY,,1967 AMC Marlin, the performance version with the 343/280HP engine. Blazed the quarter in 17.6 @ 82mph. There ads stated, 'the only race were intersted in, is the human race'..And with those
times, you will have all day to enjoy it..
Paul,,

danny waters sr · 03-03-2010, 08:15 AM

I remember in 78 , seeing a 70 corvette ,454 ,radio, heater & A/C delete,also had rubber mat instead of carpet ,4 -speed. It ran low 11's in the 1/4 mile @ Kinston Drag Strip ( N.C ). He drove it to the track and put slicks on and un-capped side pipe headers . Kinda of a burnt orange color. My bad , It was a 69 L-88.

genuine jack · 03-09-2010, 11:02 AM

just a quick note and question on the '57 blower fords .

the supercharged engine was rated at 300 HP , but 340 HP in NASCAR trim .
the 2X4 was rated at 270 HP ... 285 in NASCAR trim .
the cars dominated in nascar in '57 , and in the JR. stock classes in the mid - late '60's . as well as the tudors and at least one [ the "osage yellow hoss" ] fordor hardtop , there were quite a few wagons . and there were 3 supercharged wagons built by the factory in '57 .
i've been looking for info on larry walker's "legal cheater" for years . also tried to locate mr. walker - with no luck . you say the car is in BC and is being restored ? are any photos - or any more information - available ? does anyone know how i might contact larry walker ?
thanx for any help .
jack

W J · 03-09-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by genuine jack

just a quick note and question on the '57 blower fords .

the supercharged engine was rated at 300 HP , but 340 HP in NASCAR trim .
the 2X4 was rated at 270 HP ... 285 in NASCAR trim .
the cars dominated in nascar in '57 , and in the JR. stock classes in the mid - late '60's . as well as the tudors and at least one [ the "osage yellow hoss" ] fordor hardtop , there were quite a few wagons . and there were 3 supercharged wagons built by the factory in '57 .
i've been looking for info on larry walker's "legal cheater" for years . also tried to locate mr. walker - with no luck . you say the car is in BC and is being restored ? are any photos - or any more information - available ? does anyone know how i might contact larry walker ?
thanx for any help .
jack

Didn't the '57 T-birds have the 312 Paxton blower motor (1-4bbl) combo, and the non-blower 2-4 bbl. 312 combo as well? I saw a '57 full size Ford w/blower run years ago at the track, but never a '57 blown T-bird running....WJ

genuine jack · 03-09-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by W J

Didn't the '57 T-birds have the 312 Paxton blower motor (1-4bbl) combo, and the non-blower 2-4 bbl. 312 combo as well? I saw a '57 full size Ford w/blower run years ago at the track, but never a '57 blown T-bird running....WJ

yes - the blower and the 2X4 were available in both the ford and the t-bird . there were approximately [ the exact number seems to be in debate ] 214 blower t-birds built .

jack

Rory McNeil · 03-09-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by genuine jack

just a quick note and question on the '57 blower fords .

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i've been looking for info on larry walker's "legal cheater" for years . also tried to locate mr. walker - with no luck . you say the car is in BC and is being restored ? are any photos - or any more information - available ? does anyone know how i might contact larry walker ?
thanx for any help .
jack

Jack, I have never met Larry Walker, but yes, his old "Legal Cheater" 57 Ford 2 door sedan has been up here in BC Canada since, I believe, about 1971. The same fellow that bought it from Walker has owned the car the entire time, and as I understand it, the car has been re-painted back to the "Legal Cheater" look. I`m a young fella, (only 52 years old), and the only time I ever seen the 57 Ford was at an event at Mission Raceway in about 72 or 73. By that time, the owner had painted the car black, with "Black Magic" lettered on the rear 1/4 panels, I believe it was running in G/SA at that time. I do have a couple of photo`s of the 57 at that race, but I`m pretty useless at posting pics, although I could ask my wife for help tonight with it. The car has been in storage from about 1973 or 74, until the past couple of years, but I do know that the owner has been having difficulty finding a good useable 312 block. I`m hoping Cec will have the 57 ready for our big "Mega Ford" race at Mission Raceway this Sept. Having owned a number of 57-59 Fords, that car was always the "Holy Grail" to me. Maybe Bob could add some more info, as he & Cec have been friends since the old Jr. Stock days.

Rory McNeil · 03-09-2010, 12:30 PM

As for the 66-67 Comets, the late Roger Rice from Montana ran a dark blue 66 Cyclone GTA 390 in G&H/SA until his death about 8-10 years ago. I believe that Chad Langdon had it for awhile, no idea where it is now.
Yes, there were some Comets built with 427`s, but like the Fairlane, they were usually found in the non GT-GTA models. A Ford collector up here had a really nice, black 67 Comet Capri 2 dr HT with a "R" code 427 425HP 2x4 barrel 4 speed bench seat in his collection until a few years ago. (Others in his fleet included 2 64 Thunderbolts, including the Jess Tyee driven Mickey Thompson owned M/T Hemi head 427, an injected 427 SOHC A/FX 66 Mustang, as well as a red 63 Max Wedge Plymouth, and a 70 Hemi Cuda ex SS car. I know the M/T Thunderbolt was on EBay a couple of years ago, I also believe that most, if not all the other cars were also sold.

mtkawboy · 03-09-2010, 12:34 PM

This is from a friend whos no longer alive but ran Nascar in the 50s. Only the factory cars ran the blower 312 motor because they had special German made blower roller bearings not available to the privateer racers or even known to them at the time. No one could keep the bearings in the blowers without them in long races so they all ran the 2 -4 barrel engines. Whether theres any truth to that I dont know but he was a big time engine builder that ran both on the beach & the first years of the big speedway at Daytona as well as modifieds in the new England/Canada area in the 50s. His name was George Nelson from Miami Fl. and he built some bad fast flatheads, Y-block Fords & small block Chevys. He also ran a Dodge Dart 273/235 stocker out of New Smyrna's Dynamic Dodge called Little Damn Ram in the mid 60s

03-03-2010, 01:23 AM	#1
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Bret might like this one, in 1966 I found a '65 Ply Valiant V200 station wagon for sale in PA that was a 273/235 hp, 4 sp, sure grip car. In AL in a junk yard was the rarest Mopar probably ever found.....no it wasn't a Muscle Car, it was a Ply. Savoy, radio/heater delete, 3sp standard, rubber mat, 225 ci. car. In other words it was built with NO options. Unfortunately, the whole car was rusted out from the doors down and had two pine trees growing out of the trunk. JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

03-03-2010, 04:34 AM	#3
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Hey,That 4-speed wagon had to come through with a factory Hurst shifter unit.And possibly, the special exhaust, with the rectangular-shaped/chrome-tipped exhaust tail..Never saw a 273/235 Commando in a wagon,,, but I know there were definitely a few built with the 235HP. ODD-BALL and UGLY,,1967 AMC Marlin, the performance version with the 343/280HP engine. Blazed the quarter in 17.6 @ 82mph. There ads stated, 'the only race were intersted in, is the human race'..And with those times, you will have all day to enjoy it.. Paul,, Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 03-03-2010 at 04:45 AM.

03-03-2010, 08:15 AM	#4
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars I remember in 78 , seeing a 70 corvette ,454 ,radio, heater & A/C delete,also had rubber mat instead of carpet ,4 -speed. It ran low 11's in the 1/4 mile @ Kinston Drag Strip ( N.C ). He drove it to the track and put slicks on and un-capped side pipe headers . Kinda of a burnt orange color. My bad , It was a 69 L-88. __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340" Last edited by danny waters sr; 03-03-2010 at 01:15 PM.

03-09-2010, 11:02 AM	#5
genuine jack Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars just a quick note and question on the '57 blower fords . the supercharged engine was rated at 300 HP , but 340 HP in NASCAR trim . the 2X4 was rated at 270 HP ... 285 in NASCAR trim . the cars dominated in nascar in '57 , and in the JR. stock classes in the mid - late '60's . as well as the tudors and at least one [ the "osage yellow hoss" ] fordor hardtop , there were quite a few wagons . and there were 3 supercharged wagons built by the factory in '57 . i've been looking for info on larry walker's "legal cheater" for years . also tried to locate mr. walker - with no luck . you say the car is in BC and is being restored ? are any photos - or any more information - available ? does anyone know how i might contact larry walker ? thanx for any help . jack

03-09-2010, 12:30 PM	#9
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 319 Liked 1,106 Times in 303 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars As for the 66-67 Comets, the late Roger Rice from Montana ran a dark blue 66 Cyclone GTA 390 in G&H/SA until his death about 8-10 years ago. I believe that Chad Langdon had it for awhile, no idea where it is now. Yes, there were some Comets built with 427`s, but like the Fairlane, they were usually found in the non GT-GTA models. A Ford collector up here had a really nice, black 67 Comet Capri 2 dr HT with a "R" code 427 425HP 2x4 barrel 4 speed bench seat in his collection until a few years ago. (Others in his fleet included 2 64 Thunderbolts, including the Jess Tyee driven Mickey Thompson owned M/T Hemi head 427, an injected 427 SOHC A/FX 66 Mustang, as well as a red 63 Max Wedge Plymouth, and a 70 Hemi Cuda ex SS car. I know the M/T Thunderbolt was on EBay a couple of years ago, I also believe that most, if not all the other cars were also sold. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

03-09-2010, 12:34 PM	#10
mtkawboy Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Billings Mt Posts: 282 Likes: 192 Liked 54 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars This is from a friend whos no longer alive but ran Nascar in the 50s. Only the factory cars ran the blower 312 motor because they had special German made blower roller bearings not available to the privateer racers or even known to them at the time. No one could keep the bearings in the blowers without them in long races so they all ran the 2 -4 barrel engines. Whether theres any truth to that I dont know but he was a big time engine builder that ran both on the beach & the first years of the big speedway at Daytona as well as modifieds in the new England/Canada area in the 50s. His name was George Nelson from Miami Fl. and he built some bad fast flatheads, Y-block Fords & small block Chevys. He also ran a Dodge Dart 273/235 stocker out of New Smyrna's Dynamic Dodge called Little Damn Ram in the mid 60s