Thinking about this in depth.......

T Hall · 12-29-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

Say whatever you want but Bracket Racing is the only refuge for the little guy!

Crowds? Hold an all Stock and see the crowds....all friends and crew members....and that's all....!

And now for all the Stock Racers (of which I am one)....if you have shoe polish on your windshield......you're a bracket racer, only you have more restrictive rules....

JimR

Well said.

randy wilson · 12-29-2009, 08:45 PM

i am going comp racing, that is my point. it should not cost what it does to actually race.it is broken as far as crowd appeal goes. i am not trying to stir anyone up, im just saying there must be a way to make it affordable and interesting.any bracket racing involving any class including s/ss is boring. just dont piss down my neck and tell me its raining. and by the way, we have little chance to be winners in our choice, but it is actually racing, only reason we are trying it.

njk53 · 12-29-2009, 09:35 PM

You guys also have to think of the cars that the OEM's were producing in the late 50's 60's and early 70's. Faster cars were introduced every year and a lot of advertising was geared to the young guys. You could take a showroom stock BB Chevelle and go pretty fast at the track, take the slicks off and you had a daily driver. The key is if you had a decent job you could afford one of these cars and go racing. Not many of these cars are being produced today and if you have one you need to be making pretty good $$$ to afford it.

randy wilson · 12-29-2009, 10:12 PM

i think most are missing my point. it is to expensive to run heads-up. but at knoxville they have 360 sprints with a spec head and the place is packed. head policing is done by a rep. of brodix, something like this could work for drag racing, and people would have an affordable option.

Greg Reimer 7376 · 12-29-2009, 10:41 PM

Back in the mid '70's,I raced fun&grudge and ET brackets at Irwindale.It closed,we went to Orange County.It closed, and we raced at Riverside.All brackets. During that time, I got involved with Chuck Norton,Tony Janes,et all, and drove a stocker at Winternationals in '83.That was a different world, and nearly the only game in town,so I modified my operation from brackets to Stock Eliminator.Riverside left off in '88,leaving us in a bad way with only two national events at Pomona for race fodder.All grade-point earning points races were out of the area. That meant towing to Bakersfield or Phoenix a few times.As far as I was concerned, Stock was it. Years later, Fontana came along, then a regular program, then the new Irwindale 1/8th mile track, and the Summit series. We're back to both worlds again, and it's fun again with a few choices along the way. All these tracks seem to draw a crowd of some kind, and yes, shoe polish is a common denominator. Whatever turns you on,I'm grateful for all of it.

bigshow2966 · 12-30-2009, 11:14 AM

I started racing in the '70's too. The stands used to be packed. However, they were packed because there were always some kind of feature show there. Before there were a bazillion national and divisionals to go to the Pro's used to match race to make money. It was not unusual to go to US 30 on Wednesday/Friday/Saturday/Sunday and see Don Garlits, 16 funny cars, or watch Bob Glidden match race Da Grump. Think all those people in the stands gave a crap about us bracket cars?

Fast forward to today. No match racing, no feature shows, empty stands.

I don't know about anywhere else, but in my area dirt track racing is dying. Boswell and Kankakee ran for years and years. Both shut down mid-season this year from money issues and are both hanging by a thread for next season.

art leong · 12-30-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshow2966

I started racing in the '70's too. The stands used to be packed. However, they were packed because there were always some kind of feature show there. Before there were a bazillion national and divisionals to go to the Pro's used to match race to make money. It was not unusual to go to US 30 on Wednesday/Friday/Saturday/Sunday and see Don Garlits, 16 funny cars, or watch Bob Glidden match race Da Grump. Think all those people in the stands gave a crap about us bracket cars?

Fast forward to today. No match racing, no feature shows, empty stands.

I don't know about anywhere else, but in my area dirt track racing is dying. Boswell and Kankakee ran for years and years. Both shut down mid-season this year from money issues and are both hanging by a thread for next season.

This is true. And divisional points meets used to have the pros run for points too.

12-29-2009, 08:45 PM	#2
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Thinking about this in depth....... i am going comp racing, that is my point. it should not cost what it does to actually race.it is broken as far as crowd appeal goes. i am not trying to stir anyone up, im just saying there must be a way to make it affordable and interesting.any bracket racing involving any class including s/ss is boring. just dont piss down my neck and tell me its raining. and by the way, we have little chance to be winners in our choice, but it is actually racing, only reason we are trying it. __________________ don,t have one

12-29-2009, 09:35 PM	#3
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Thinking about this in depth....... You guys also have to think of the cars that the OEM's were producing in the late 50's 60's and early 70's. Faster cars were introduced every year and a lot of advertising was geared to the young guys. You could take a showroom stock BB Chevelle and go pretty fast at the track, take the slicks off and you had a daily driver. The key is if you had a decent job you could afford one of these cars and go racing. Not many of these cars are being produced today and if you have one you need to be making pretty good $$$ to afford it. __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345

12-29-2009, 10:12 PM	#4
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Thinking about this in depth....... i think most are missing my point. it is to expensive to run heads-up. but at knoxville they have 360 sprints with a spec head and the place is packed. head policing is done by a rep. of brodix, something like this could work for drag racing, and people would have an affordable option. __________________ don,t have one

12-29-2009, 10:41 PM	#5
Greg Reimer 7376 VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora,Calif. Posts: 1,137 Likes: 172 Liked 719 Times in 220 Posts	Re: Thinking about this in depth....... Back in the mid '70's,I raced fun&grudge and ET brackets at Irwindale.It closed,we went to Orange County.It closed, and we raced at Riverside.All brackets. During that time, I got involved with Chuck Norton,Tony Janes,et all, and drove a stocker at Winternationals in '83.That was a different world, and nearly the only game in town,so I modified my operation from brackets to Stock Eliminator.Riverside left off in '88,leaving us in a bad way with only two national events at Pomona for race fodder.All grade-point earning points races were out of the area. That meant towing to Bakersfield or Phoenix a few times.As far as I was concerned, Stock was it. Years later, Fontana came along, then a regular program, then the new Irwindale 1/8th mile track, and the Summit series. We're back to both worlds again, and it's fun again with a few choices along the way. All these tracks seem to draw a crowd of some kind, and yes, shoe polish is a common denominator. Whatever turns you on,I'm grateful for all of it.

12-30-2009, 11:14 AM	#6
bigshow2966 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 656 Likes: 678 Liked 181 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Thinking about this in depth....... I started racing in the '70's too. The stands used to be packed. However, they were packed because there were always some kind of feature show there. Before there were a bazillion national and divisionals to go to the Pro's used to match race to make money. It was not unusual to go to US 30 on Wednesday/Friday/Saturday/Sunday and see Don Garlits, 16 funny cars, or watch Bob Glidden match race Da Grump. Think all those people in the stands gave a crap about us bracket cars? Fast forward to today. No match racing, no feature shows, empty stands. I don't know about anywhere else, but in my area dirt track racing is dying. Boswell and Kankakee ran for years and years. Both shut down mid-season this year from money issues and are both hanging by a thread for next season.