Think about this.........

Duane Eiskant II · 12-20-2009, 11:25 PM

I agree Dale you need to get another car and come out and play with us guys. Just for the record, im 33 and been around s/ss all my life, love it wouldnt have it any other way. Sterling, how long ago was it i was wanting to help change the transmission in your car? Had to be what, 23-25 years ago??? The regular bracket racers dont understand s/ss because its alot easier to run the weekly program. Big tires in the back, little tires in the front...Maybe having more combo races at some of the local tracks will start to put some kind of interest back into it for the younger crowd...

Dale Shannon · 12-20-2009, 11:49 PM

Duane hello I think your right it needs to be put it front of people besides at a nat. or pts. meet,some kind of a bi-weekly local race,use it as a test and tune everybody throw a few $ in the pot the track match it and go at it, do a track safety tech and police yourself.(or the other guy) that way I think a few more fans may understand it a little better.

X-TECH MAN · 12-21-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

Duane hello I think your right it needs to be put it front of people besides at a nat. or pts. meet,some kind of a bi-weekly local race,use it as a test and tune everybody throw a few $ in the pot the track match it and go at it, do a track safety tech and police yourself.(or the other guy) that way I think a few more fans may understand it a little better.

Dale.....What fans? I havent seen anyone at MIR watching unless they are with a car (Family, crew, friends) unless its a friggin' monkey circus act. Even the IHRA points races dont have any spectators and the "Prez cup" so call National event is lack luster at best and what few do come to watch are there for the Top FOOLERS that usually keep the track from rusting !. Royce lost a ton of money (2 or 3 hundred thousand) at the last race. I go to several circut races that Dave Ley puts on and again.....zip for spectators. Even the Dutch Classic at Maple Grove only the most hard core spectator (notice I said spectator and not spectators) is there. The people in the stands are WITH someone racing with about 10 cars in the spectator parking lot. Very few even care anymore except us old "Gear Head" guys.

Schmidt A103 · 12-24-2009, 08:51 AM

Now maybe I will get some flaming for this,but a long time ago I used to do a lot of street racing and grudge racing at the track.Back then I would tell some of the guys how I wasnt impressed by the killer cars they built.We had a local racer who ran SS/GT with a Camaro,and I would see these street racers with fiberglass front end mini tubbed cars with brodix headed bigblocks,dominators and hood scoops running low 10's,and tell guys how I could clean up around here with Walt's Super stocker.His car could run a tenth or two faster then that with a stock steel intake and a Q jet.Unknown to me it was actually stock steel heads,not intake,but impressive nonetheless.At 19 years old when I had my first set of 4.10 gears set up by this superstock racer I stood in amazemnet at the fact that the sheelstanding car that ran low 10's every weekend was an all steel full interior car with a 305 and Q jet.The fact that stockers are now truning those numbers is even more impressive.

Even as a 19 year old getting a start in drag racing I was truly impressed with how fast these cars were,but the fact was that it cost a lot of money to run these numbers and I wasnt a 2nd generation racer who was stepping into a car my family owned.I learned how to run the number with stock iron heads,flat tappet cams,and no big shoodscop,but I knew that it was far easier for me to do it by porting my heads and running a .550 lift cam then it was to run unported heads and a .390 lift cam so long that I needed to trun it 8000+ to make it work.I could put down the number with a 3500 stall convertor and 4.56's while the class racers had 5500 or better and 5.57's.I was driving my low 12 seond car to the track on 93 pump gas, and they owned a truck and trailer.Since most of the racers I know got their start just like me,broke and looking for any way to go fast on the cheap,class racing was just plain impossible.My car cost $4500 to build and thiers cost 25 grand or better.Today my $15,000 street car runs low 10's,makes it to the payout window on a regular basis in super pro and has a flat tappet 439 chevy that I built in my garage and get about 700 runs between freshen ups,and stands just as good a chance as anybody at making it to the big show in super street.It just makes more sense to me.

12-20-2009, 11:25 PM	#1
Duane Eiskant II Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alexandria, Va Posts: 501 Likes: 261 Liked 57 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Think about this......... I agree Dale you need to get another car and come out and play with us guys. Just for the record, im 33 and been around s/ss all my life, love it wouldnt have it any other way. Sterling, how long ago was it i was wanting to help change the transmission in your car? Had to be what, 23-25 years ago??? The regular bracket racers dont understand s/ss because its alot easier to run the weekly program. Big tires in the back, little tires in the front...Maybe having more combo races at some of the local tracks will start to put some kind of interest back into it for the younger crowd... __________________ Duane Eiskant 1354 Stock/Super Stock

12-20-2009, 11:49 PM	#2
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think about this......... Duane hello I think your right it needs to be put it front of people besides at a nat. or pts. meet,some kind of a bi-weekly local race,use it as a test and tune everybody throw a few $ in the pot the track match it and go at it, do a track safety tech and police yourself.(or the other guy) that way I think a few more fans may understand it a little better.

12-24-2009, 08:51 AM	#4
Schmidt A103 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 14 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think about this......... Now maybe I will get some flaming for this,but a long time ago I used to do a lot of street racing and grudge racing at the track.Back then I would tell some of the guys how I wasnt impressed by the killer cars they built.We had a local racer who ran SS/GT with a Camaro,and I would see these street racers with fiberglass front end mini tubbed cars with brodix headed bigblocks,dominators and hood scoops running low 10's,and tell guys how I could clean up around here with Walt's Super stocker.His car could run a tenth or two faster then that with a stock steel intake and a Q jet.Unknown to me it was actually stock steel heads,not intake,but impressive nonetheless.At 19 years old when I had my first set of 4.10 gears set up by this superstock racer I stood in amazemnet at the fact that the sheelstanding car that ran low 10's every weekend was an all steel full interior car with a 305 and Q jet.The fact that stockers are now truning those numbers is even more impressive. Even as a 19 year old getting a start in drag racing I was truly impressed with how fast these cars were,but the fact was that it cost a lot of money to run these numbers and I wasnt a 2nd generation racer who was stepping into a car my family owned.I learned how to run the number with stock iron heads,flat tappet cams,and no big shoodscop,but I knew that it was far easier for me to do it by porting my heads and running a .550 lift cam then it was to run unported heads and a .390 lift cam so long that I needed to trun it 8000+ to make it work.I could put down the number with a 3500 stall convertor and 4.56's while the class racers had 5500 or better and 5.57's.I was driving my low 12 seond car to the track on 93 pump gas, and they owned a truck and trailer.Since most of the racers I know got their start just like me,broke and looking for any way to go fast on the cheap,class racing was just plain impossible.My car cost $4500 to build and thiers cost 25 grand or better.Today my $15,000 street car runs low 10's,makes it to the payout window on a regular basis in super pro and has a flat tappet 439 chevy that I built in my garage and get about 700 runs between freshen ups,and stands just as good a chance as anybody at making it to the big show in super street.It just makes more sense to me. Last edited by Schmidt A103; 12-24-2009 at 08:53 AM.