Clutchless tranny in S/S?

tj310 · 12-06-2009, 06:57 PM

I don,t think anyone has said you will have to run clutchless. Pretty sure you can still run a column shift.
" I used to be disgusted, now i'm just amused" Elvis C.

treessavoy · 12-07-2009, 11:21 PM

Yeah,

I also heard they were going to allow neutral stars for automatics but the starter was going to be in the tower.

Rules are rules until you see changes in writing.

"Much ado about nothing"

JimR

randy wilson · 12-08-2009, 10:18 AM

i agree with x-techman and superstock dodge, all a clutchless is is an over-priced auto for people too cordinationally challenged to clutch and shift at the same time. i think they should install a little camera on the roll cage and make sure everyone clutches when they shift. worked at are local strip. we have always clutched and shifted in a conventional manor at all strips where cluthless is prohibited. in testing, running a true cluthless trans we picked up .09. i have seen uncordinated people pick up as much as .25 with true clutchless. i have seen superstock dodge run at k.c. and he does use the clutch as we did. he did a damn good job also. hey, we were the cobalt parked next to you guys.

Mike Crutchfield · 12-08-2009, 12:05 PM

This issue was brought up for a vote by the NHRA S/SS committee at Pomona and did not pass. The rule will be inforced as written for now is what I was told.

Thanks
Mike Crutchfield
D2 SRAC Member

Mike Taylor 3601 · 12-08-2009, 03:05 PM

How many people that are talking about clutchless trans being so much easier to drive have ever drove one or even know how they operate? We are talking about Jerico,G-force and Liberty right, if you are using manual shifter (no air etc.) the clutchless is no easier to drive than the clutch versions,if anything the clutchless is slightly harder due to not being able to keep in gear if off throttle or if you blow tires off.You think shifting
without clutch came about since Jericos or G-forces,or anyother face plate trans,people shifted old crashboxes(synchronizers took out every other dog took off gear)and pro
shifted gears without the clutch,just can't do it many times. face plates made it to where
you can do it for 100's of passes.
Anybody that is good in a stick car will tell you shifting is the easy part with or without
clutch or clutchless doesn't matter.
The only ''helpers'' I like and use are high side rev limiter and line loc switch released
with clutch and can do without if want to.
People that worry about losing to sticks are the same ones that would worry about
a quadrapalegic having a advantage in a fist fight.
I would be ashamed to have a RPM activated shifter to make one gear change.
Mike Taylor3601

SuperStockDodge · 12-08-2009, 09:11 PM

Thanks Randy

You know where i am coming from on this subject...

The new motor is coming along good, still alot to do-i hope it's a long winter

lol

Sean

Mike Taylor 3601 · 12-09-2009, 07:26 AM

Super Stock Dodge I like your location sounds like my kinda town.
Mike Taylor 3601

Kris · 12-09-2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601

How many people that are talking about clutchless trans being so much easier to drive have ever drove one or even know how they operate? We are talking about Jerico,G-force and Liberty right, if you are using manual shifter (no air etc.) the clutchless is no easier to drive than the clutch versions,if anything the clutchless is slightly harder due to not being able to keep in gear if off throttle or if you blow tires off.You think shifting
without clutch came about since Jericos or G-forces,or anyother face plate trans,people shifted old crashboxes(synchronizers took out every other dog took off gear)and pro
shifted gears without the clutch,just can't do it many times. face plates made it to where
you can do it for 100's of passes.
Anybody that is good in a stick car will tell you shifting is the easy part with or without
clutch or clutchless doesn't matter.
The only ''helpers'' I like and use are high side rev limiter and line loc switch released
with clutch and can do without if want to.
People that worry about losing to sticks are the same ones that would worry about
a quadrapalegic having a advantage in a fist fight.
I would be ashamed to have a RPM activated shifter to make one gear change.
Mike Taylor3601

Very well said

randy wilson · 12-09-2009, 09:19 AM

i am not knocking anyone, but take the rule out or enforce it (must be shifted in a conventional manner) is what i am saying. and i have drove both and for me a true clutchless is way smoother than conventional. the car calms down tremendously when you are not unloading the chassis. the way most people are shifting manuals they just as well allow true clutchless, it would be less expensive in the long run. after testing one i think i could learn to like that.

12-06-2009, 06:57 PM	#1
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? I don,t think anyone has said you will have to run clutchless. Pretty sure you can still run a column shift. " I used to be disgusted, now i'm just amused" Elvis C.

12-07-2009, 11:21 PM	#2
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? Yeah, I also heard they were going to allow neutral stars for automatics but the starter was going to be in the tower. Rules are rules until you see changes in writing. "Much ado about nothing" JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

12-08-2009, 10:18 AM	#3
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? i agree with x-techman and superstock dodge, all a clutchless is is an over-priced auto for people too cordinationally challenged to clutch and shift at the same time. i think they should install a little camera on the roll cage and make sure everyone clutches when they shift. worked at are local strip. we have always clutched and shifted in a conventional manor at all strips where cluthless is prohibited. in testing, running a true cluthless trans we picked up .09. i have seen uncordinated people pick up as much as .25 with true clutchless. i have seen superstock dodge run at k.c. and he does use the clutch as we did. he did a damn good job also. hey, we were the cobalt parked next to you guys. __________________ don,t have one

12-08-2009, 12:05 PM	#4
Mike Crutchfield Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84 Likes: 3 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? This issue was brought up for a vote by the NHRA S/SS committee at Pomona and did not pass. The rule will be inforced as written for now is what I was told. Thanks Mike Crutchfield D2 SRAC Member

12-08-2009, 03:05 PM	#5
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,371 Likes: 353 Liked 306 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? How many people that are talking about clutchless trans being so much easier to drive have ever drove one or even know how they operate? We are talking about Jerico,G-force and Liberty right, if you are using manual shifter (no air etc.) the clutchless is no easier to drive than the clutch versions,if anything the clutchless is slightly harder due to not being able to keep in gear if off throttle or if you blow tires off.You think shifting without clutch came about since Jericos or G-forces,or anyother face plate trans,people shifted old crashboxes(synchronizers took out every other dog took off gear)and pro shifted gears without the clutch,just can't do it many times. face plates made it to where you can do it for 100's of passes. Anybody that is good in a stick car will tell you shifting is the easy part with or without clutch or clutchless doesn't matter. The only ''helpers'' I like and use are high side rev limiter and line loc switch released with clutch and can do without if want to. People that worry about losing to sticks are the same ones that would worry about a quadrapalegic having a advantage in a fist fight. I would be ashamed to have a RPM activated shifter to make one gear change. Mike Taylor3601

12-08-2009, 09:11 PM	#6
SuperStockDodge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stickville USA Posts: 261 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? Thanks Randy You know where i am coming from on this subject... The new motor is coming along good, still alot to do-i hope it's a long winter lol Sean __________________ Sean Fischer 5864 SS/E

12-09-2009, 07:26 AM	#7
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,371 Likes: 353 Liked 306 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? Super Stock Dodge I like your location sounds like my kinda town. Mike Taylor 3601

12-09-2009, 09:19 AM	#9
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? i am not knocking anyone, but take the rule out or enforce it (must be shifted in a conventional manner) is what i am saying. and i have drove both and for me a true clutchless is way smoother than conventional. the car calms down tremendously when you are not unloading the chassis. the way most people are shifting manuals they just as well allow true clutchless, it would be less expensive in the long run. after testing one i think i could learn to like that. __________________ don,t have one