Lencos in SS

james schaechter · 11-03-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I guess you did not read my prior post. Can we say Gracia as in Danny and his "Family Tree" SS/AH project unless my under cover "spies" have it all wrong. I guess he cant drive a "real" 4 speed running in the 8's and needs all the help he can get.....LOL.

Sorry Terry, I didn't scroll back.Just to be clear, are you telling me that Danny Gracia would use his positon of authority to further the racing program for his son? Does his son own the car or is there a Big $$ team involved? I thnk the N in NHRA would have to mean Nepotism if that was the case. That has to be an unfounded rumour. I can't believe that a person in that position would get anywhere near that! In Illinois, we only allow our Governor to do that type of thing...for awhile anyway.

X-TECH MAN · 11-03-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by james schaechter

Sorry Terry, I didn't scroll back.Just to be clear, are you telling me that Danny Gracia would use his positon of authority to further the racing program for his son? Does his son own the car or is there a Big $$ team involved? I thnk the N in NHRA would have to mean Nepotism if that was the case. That has to be an unfounded rumour. I can't believe that a person in that position would get anywhere near that! In Illinois, we only allow our Governor to do that type of thing...for awhile anyway.

Who knows.....It may be all just rumor??????? I have come to believe nothing I read, very little of what I hear, and almost nothing I see. Just passing on what I heard and giving the stick racers on here food for thought for those who wanted to find out who lit this fuse on the s##t bomb.

X STOCKER........Nepotism means helping a relative, next of kin, relation, in finding and aquiring a job, help with the job, or just making it easier for them to acheve an objective by giving out special favors.

XSTOCKER · 11-03-2009, 02:49 PM

Hard enough following these long threads as it is…..now us dumb welders have to get out the dictionary and look up words. Thanks Jim
Mike Szcz….

Mike Taylor 3601 · 11-03-2009, 05:33 PM

James,
Did you see former governor Rob on Letterman? Told Letterman he always wanted to be on his show
in the worst way. Dave replied Well your'e on it in the worst way!!!
With clutchless IF YOU HOLD in gear at slow speeds like going to water box as example when
you slow down trans will ratchet on sliders and stay in gear this is barely above idle in low gear, but going down track racing if you lift or blow tires off bad will come out of gear and if you try to put back in goes to high and will wipeout slider and face plate on high gear,when in high gear you can lift off/on gas but have to hold trans in gear.
I don't know about any other stick guys but my hand never leaves the shifter anyway.
I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter.
Mike Taylor 3601

Bub Whitaker · 11-03-2009, 06:00 PM

I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter.
Mike Taylor 3601

now thats a diehard stick racer...

283nova · 12-13-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bub Whitaker

I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter.
Mike Taylor 3601...

amen

Bill Harris · 12-13-2009, 10:12 PM

On another thread Mike Crutchfield, who is a member of the SRAC (remember them?) said that the committee had voted on the clutchless in SS and it was voted down. For those who forgot, the SRAC is supposed to be the sportsman racers representative group to the NHRA guys that actually make the rules. If the clutchless is permitted, it is just another example of the ineffectiveness of the SRAC, the same problem that caused several of the original members of the committee to quit after less than a year since their input was being ignored.

The question posed about where this rule change was coming from is the real issue. This happens time and time again. Who benefits? Who is pushing for the change when the racers representative body has voted it down?

Note that Danny Gracia is mentioned over and over again as the source of the information that the rule will change. Also note that he is not on any of the rules making committees as listed on the NHRA website. So is the situation one where if someone with clout can convince Mr Gracia, it becomes a "done deal'?

SuperStockDodge · 11-03-2009, 07:20 PM

I don't know about any other stick guys but my hand never leaves the shifter anyway.
I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter.
Mike Taylor 3601[/QUOTE]

I second that!

Stick Racing · 12-14-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601

James,
Did you see former governor Rob on Letterman? Told Letterman he always wanted to be on his show
in the worst way. Dave replied Well your'e on it in the worst way!!!
With clutchless IF YOU HOLD in gear at slow speeds like going to water box as example when
you slow down trans will ratchet on sliders and stay in gear this is barely above idle in low gear, but going down track racing if you lift or blow tires off bad will come out of gear and if you try to put back in goes to high and will wipeout slider and face plate on high gear,when in high gear you can lift off/on gas but have to hold trans in gear.
I don't know about any other stick guys but my hand never leaves the shifter anyway.
I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter.
Mike Taylor 3601

To anyone thinking clutchless is 'easier' may be unhappily surprised. Once you take your foot off the gas, you're done.

On a side note, I suppose if money is no object and you can use a clutchless trans then you might as well hook an air shifter to it? I mean, autos in SS have an air shifter for their ONE shift. So, I suppose air/electric shifters will be legal also?

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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C

283nova · 12-14-2009, 01:33 PM

as i mentioned in my intro post me and a friend are teaming up to build a 283 4 speed nova we are both new to super stock ive been racing et handicap pro for a few years got boring, so were looking to have some real fun i was pretty pumped until i read this thread if clutchless is allowed we wont be able to afford it.and we'd have to use an automatic and that would just plain blow. so keep the clutch assisted transmissions!!! even though i have never raced in s or ss i say clutchless is for comp and prostock!

11-03-2009, 02:49 PM	#3
XSTOCKER Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 19 Liked 8 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Hard enough following these long threads as it is…..now us dumb welders have to get out the dictionary and look up words. Thanks Jim Mike Szcz….

11-03-2009, 05:33 PM	#4
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,372 Likes: 357 Liked 308 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS James, Did you see former governor Rob on Letterman? Told Letterman he always wanted to be on his show in the worst way. Dave replied Well your'e on it in the worst way!!! With clutchless IF YOU HOLD in gear at slow speeds like going to water box as example when you slow down trans will ratchet on sliders and stay in gear this is barely above idle in low gear, but going down track racing if you lift or blow tires off bad will come out of gear and if you try to put back in goes to high and will wipeout slider and face plate on high gear,when in high gear you can lift off/on gas but have to hold trans in gear. I don't know about any other stick guys but my hand never leaves the shifter anyway. I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter. Mike Taylor 3601

11-03-2009, 06:00 PM	#5
Bub Whitaker Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dayton, MD Posts: 222 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter. Mike Taylor 3601 now thats a diehard stick racer... __________________ Bub Whitaker

12-13-2009, 10:12 PM	#7
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS On another thread Mike Crutchfield, who is a member of the SRAC (remember them?) said that the committee had voted on the clutchless in SS and it was voted down. For those who forgot, the SRAC is supposed to be the sportsman racers representative group to the NHRA guys that actually make the rules. If the clutchless is permitted, it is just another example of the ineffectiveness of the SRAC, the same problem that caused several of the original members of the committee to quit after less than a year since their input was being ignored. The question posed about where this rule change was coming from is the real issue. This happens time and time again. Who benefits? Who is pushing for the change when the racers representative body has voted it down? Note that Danny Gracia is mentioned over and over again as the source of the information that the rule will change. Also note that he is not on any of the rules making committees as listed on the NHRA website. So is the situation one where if someone with clout can convince Mr Gracia, it becomes a "done deal'? __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

11-03-2009, 07:20 PM	#8
SuperStockDodge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stickville USA Posts: 261 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS I don't know about any other stick guys but my hand never leaves the shifter anyway. I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter. Mike Taylor 3601[/QUOTE] I second that!

12-14-2009, 01:33 PM	#10
283nova Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: spokane, wa Posts: 88 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS as i mentioned in my intro post me and a friend are teaming up to build a 283 4 speed nova we are both new to super stock ive been racing et handicap pro for a few years got boring, so were looking to have some real fun i was pretty pumped until i read this thread if clutchless is allowed we wont be able to afford it.and we'd have to use an automatic and that would just plain blow. so keep the clutch assisted transmissions!!! even though i have never raced in s or ss i say clutchless is for comp and prostock!