Lencos in SS

Kris · 11-01-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

I'm certainly not trying to argue with you either. It doesnt really matter how much we try to hash this out, it boils down to the fact that it probably will never be allowed. And should it be like anything there are plenty of pros/cons to deal with. But with all the money slung at these cars what the hell is the difference I suppose.

tj310 · 11-01-2009, 09:28 PM

If you go to the parts for sale section I believe you will find more adds for Jerico wanted than for sale

SSDA3426 · 11-01-2009, 10:37 PM

Well Guys Ive Thought ALOT of Mods For years Have Changed The Whole STOCK/Super Stock Venues...I Myself Think That LenCos and Planetary Trans should be Disallowed....
As In My Cousin Bullet Bob Reeds Words"I Dont Know What These Kids Are Doin Without Having A Gear Shift To Change Gears With...Taking A Cruise On A Saturday Night".......

No LenCos!!
I Have Tried Them And They Are Actually A More PIA than anything Else AND they are WAY more Expensive...

SS

Tony DePillo · 11-02-2009, 04:00 AM

I hate to break it to you, but the clutchless trans, not planetary lenco's, is a done deal for 2010. Stick shift racers need to voice their opinion or be prepared for one of two options, either be prepared to shell out six to eight thousand for the gearboxes or get left in the dust by those in your class that do.
Once again, why the change, what problem are they trying to fix?

X-TECH MAN · 11-02-2009, 05:35 AM

[QUOTE=Tony DePillo; either be prepared to shell out six to eight thousand for the gearboxes or get left in the dust by those in your class [/QUOTE]

Have you priced a "PRO TRANS" lately ! Thats an automatic for those of you who are out of the loop.

Tony DePillo · 11-02-2009, 06:34 AM

I wonder how much outrage their would be if Tech made legal a ZF 5 speed auto in any Automatic class.Same issue, do you spend $7500.00, or become a also ran?
That's what we're talking about here, making all of the equipment out there obsolete with the stroke of a pen for no apparent reason. Let them have it in AH, it's all the same combination. the the rest of us the hell alone.
There are still Sportsman racers out there who have worked hard to get to the top of their game, at great personal sacrifice. To pull a stunt like this is unbelievable. If you need to police clutchless, I can show you at least three methods that don't involve rocking the car and none of them involve as much as a dirty hand on the part of tech. All can be done with the current tech staff.

Jeff Colvert · 11-02-2009, 02:10 PM

How would a clutchless trany work in a race situation where you may be on and off the gas. My understanding of how a clutchless trany works is that when you get off the gas it is it pops out of gear, am I wrong on this.

Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

Travis Gusso · 11-02-2009, 03:05 PM

Jeff-

On a clutchless 5-speed (and I assume 4-speed) the only gear that it will lock in is 5th - meaning you don't have to hold (the shifter) it in gear when you are off the gas. It will come out of all other gears when you lift off the gas unless you physically hold the shifter in that gear. This is how they check for clutchless tranny's, put the car in any gear but 5th and rock the car back in forth. If it pops out of gear it is obviously a clutchless unit. -tg

Stephen & Horace Johnson · 11-02-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Colvert

How would a clutchless trany work in a race situation where you may be on and off the gas. My understanding of how a clutchless trany works is that when you get off the gas it is it pops out of gear, am I wrong on this.

Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

Very good point!!!!!!!!!

Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

buzzinhalfdozen · 11-02-2009, 07:48 AM

Tony, I feel your pain I've got a G-Force Clutch assisted on the shelf for my AX car.That's nearly $7000 for a trans. that may not be competitive anymore. And yes I've watched my Gmeter with both trans in the car, actually the accel rate would go higher with the clutch assisted mainly due to being in nuetral for a millisecond. The main difference is my clutchless went many- many runs with no issues, my clutch assisted required repair after 30-50 runs. I'm not advocating for or against the change as my current car has a "grannie" tranny. It's just always been an issue that what we have now is going to be obsolete next year, tricker-faster parts are always comoing down the pike. The question is do we spend the money? Like so many things in racing we rarely get a voice in the decision making, they make the rules and we try to race within them. Joe

11-01-2009, 10:37 PM	#3
SSDA3426 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: North West Ohio Posts: 9 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Well Guys Ive Thought ALOT of Mods For years Have Changed The Whole STOCK/Super Stock Venues...I Myself Think That LenCos and Planetary Trans should be Disallowed.... As In My Cousin Bullet Bob Reeds Words"I Dont Know What These Kids Are Doin Without Having A Gear Shift To Change Gears With...Taking A Cruise On A Saturday Night"....... No LenCos!! I Have Tried Them And They Are Actually A More PIA than anything Else AND they are WAY more Expensive... SS

11-02-2009, 04:00 AM	#4
Tony DePillo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS I hate to break it to you, but the clutchless trans, not planetary lenco's, is a done deal for 2010. Stick shift racers need to voice their opinion or be prepared for one of two options, either be prepared to shell out six to eight thousand for the gearboxes or get left in the dust by those in your class that do. Once again, why the change, what problem are they trying to fix?

11-02-2009, 05:35 AM	#5
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS [QUOTE=Tony DePillo; either be prepared to shell out six to eight thousand for the gearboxes or get left in the dust by those in your class [/QUOTE] Have you priced a "PRO TRANS" lately ! Thats an automatic for those of you who are out of the loop.

11-02-2009, 06:34 AM	#6
Tony DePillo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS I wonder how much outrage their would be if Tech made legal a ZF 5 speed auto in any Automatic class.Same issue, do you spend $7500.00, or become a also ran? That's what we're talking about here, making all of the equipment out there obsolete with the stroke of a pen for no apparent reason. Let them have it in AH, it's all the same combination. the the rest of us the hell alone. There are still Sportsman racers out there who have worked hard to get to the top of their game, at great personal sacrifice. To pull a stunt like this is unbelievable. If you need to police clutchless, I can show you at least three methods that don't involve rocking the car and none of them involve as much as a dirty hand on the part of tech. All can be done with the current tech staff.

11-02-2009, 02:10 PM	#7
Jeff Colvert Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkadelphia, AR Posts: 289 Likes: 8 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS How would a clutchless trany work in a race situation where you may be on and off the gas. My understanding of how a clutchless trany works is that when you get off the gas it is it pops out of gear, am I wrong on this. Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

11-01-2009, 09:28 PM	#2
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS If you go to the parts for sale section I believe you will find more adds for Jerico wanted than for sale

11-02-2009, 03:05 PM	#8
Travis Gusso Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Jeff- On a clutchless 5-speed (and I assume 4-speed) the only gear that it will lock in is 5th - meaning you don't have to hold (the shifter) it in gear when you are off the gas. It will come out of all other gears when you lift off the gas unless you physically hold the shifter in that gear. This is how they check for clutchless tranny's, put the car in any gear but 5th and rock the car back in forth. If it pops out of gear it is obviously a clutchless unit. -tg

11-02-2009, 07:48 AM	#10
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Tony, I feel your pain I've got a G-Force Clutch assisted on the shelf for my AX car.That's nearly $7000 for a trans. that may not be competitive anymore. And yes I've watched my Gmeter with both trans in the car, actually the accel rate would go higher with the clutch assisted mainly due to being in nuetral for a millisecond. The main difference is my clutchless went many- many runs with no issues, my clutch assisted required repair after 30-50 runs. I'm not advocating for or against the change as my current car has a "grannie" tranny. It's just always been an issue that what we have now is going to be obsolete next year, tricker-faster parts are always comoing down the pike. The question is do we spend the money? Like so many things in racing we rarely get a voice in the decision making, they make the rules and we try to race within them. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117