stock and super stock racing

chris3racing · 11-01-2009, 08:22 AM

That is how races were run in the 60's early 70". I you were racing H/S, H/Stock, you had a national record to run off of, probably set by Bobby Warren. All cars in H/S run against each other for the class win. After all classes were run then Stock Eliminator is called and the winner of each class runs. The cars were run as they pulled into the staging lane. If you were running against a D/S your national record was probably lower than his therefore, you got a head start.

We did not run off a number selected by any means other that how fast the fast car in the class would run at an event. You went faster than the national record, published in the National Dragster Magazine, he could, on your next run match that et or speed and you were the new national record holder an next race all H/S, in eliminator were put in the system with that et.

Tom keedle · 11-01-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chris3racing

That is how races were run in the 60's early 70". I you were racing H/S, H/Stock, you had a national record to run off of, probably set by Bobby Warren. All cars in H/S run against each other for the class win. After all classes were run then Stock Eliminator is called and the winner of each class runs. The cars were run as they pulled into the staging lane. If you were running against a D/S your national record was probably lower than his therefore, you got a head start.

We did not run off a number selected by any means other that how fast the fast car in the class would run at an event. You went faster than the national record, published in the National Dragster Magazine, he could, on your next run match that et or speed and you were the new national record holder an next race all H/S, in eliminator were put in the system with that et.

and what was WRONG with that?

Dick Butler · 11-01-2009, 09:25 AM

Records at sea level East or West coast tracks, Air density on Saturday night eliminations of -400 ft. THEN try to race on those records at Air Density 2400-3000 feet in the mid west. Not ALL records were set at the same tracks so Some weak non competed classes versus Hot Dog classes where Record Runs were the Goal...
One positive thing was no break out racing, and always was a goal to go FASTER not slow down....

Floyd Staggs · 11-01-2009, 09:51 AM

I remember just running your class and maybe getting a trophy and that was it. We didn't have wallys and there was a flagman for a starter. If you wanted to run for money you had to have a street tire and run street elinator for $25.00.
Course that was a long time ago.

bill dedman · 11-01-2009, 02:28 PM

A major flaw in using National Records for handicapping cars was that, after awhile, it became apparent to the people who raced a lot, that if they re-set the record, they were shooting themselves in the foot, as it would chip away at their handicap (dial-in) number, so racers who were aware of this would "protect" their record (not lower it) 'til after awhile, National Records became a joke, because so many of them were "protected," and not nearly as quick as they needed to be.

It was called "sandbagging," and still is....

That's one of the reasons the index system was created.

JRyan · 11-01-2009, 06:28 PM

Other than CLASS, there was break-out racing Dick. You could not go more than .10 secs under during eliminations. It may have seemed like no break-out racing to some, because not many could even run close to their class records at the time. It was a very advantageous system for me with my '50 Olds in the military in Texas in 1969. I won 17 of 19 races and runner-uped the other two (broke). One amber Pro-tree by the way at Temple Academy Dragway (Little River). Neatest little track around. Do they still run there?

Jerry

art leong · 11-01-2009, 07:01 PM

When the eliminators were run off records there was a 1/10 breakout allowed.
Except for the final then it was get to the stripe first.

And BTW there were no quickest loser qualifiers. You won class or you went home.

treessavoy · 08-21-2013, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom keedle

and what was WRONG with that?

The guy with the most money always won and there wasn't any reason to go racing unless you had the same money to spend.

JimR

Tom keedle · 08-21-2013, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

The guy with the most money always won and there wasn't any reason to go racing unless you had the same money to spend.

JimR

kinda like today (for the most part)

.and if you're racing for money....well....got a news flash for ya!
myself,it's for fun (if I ever get the car done), cuz I already have a job.

bigshow2966 · 08-21-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

The guy with the most money always won and there wasn't any reason to go racing unless you had the same money to spend.

JimR

Also, something no one has mentioned, how about all the factory "ringer" cars that started appearing around what, '63? I'm sure Ma Mopar wasn't the only one building bogus cars to hit the records with.

As far as not being able to afford to build a new stocker, IF your ego can stand not being in a limelight class, you can still build a competitive stocker for not too much money.

My buddy Mike Jeffrey has the national record in V/SA with a car you could easily duplicate for less than $10K. He and the Bogner's travel around some and have a ball. That IS what racing is all about, right?

11-01-2009, 08:22 AM	#1
chris3racing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 528 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: stock and super stock racing That is how races were run in the 60's early 70". I you were racing H/S, H/Stock, you had a national record to run off of, probably set by Bobby Warren. All cars in H/S run against each other for the class win. After all classes were run then Stock Eliminator is called and the winner of each class runs. The cars were run as they pulled into the staging lane. If you were running against a D/S your national record was probably lower than his therefore, you got a head start. We did not run off a number selected by any means other that how fast the fast car in the class would run at an event. You went faster than the national record, published in the National Dragster Magazine, he could, on your next run match that et or speed and you were the new national record holder an next race all H/S, in eliminator were put in the system with that et.

11-01-2009, 09:25 AM	#3
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: stock and super stock racing Records at sea level East or West coast tracks, Air density on Saturday night eliminations of -400 ft. THEN try to race on those records at Air Density 2400-3000 feet in the mid west. Not ALL records were set at the same tracks so Some weak non competed classes versus Hot Dog classes where Record Runs were the Goal... One positive thing was no break out racing, and always was a goal to go FASTER not slow down....

11-01-2009, 09:51 AM	#4
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,522 Likes: 146 Liked 229 Times in 99 Posts	Re: stock and super stock racing I remember just running your class and maybe getting a trophy and that was it. We didn't have wallys and there was a flagman for a starter. If you wanted to run for money you had to have a street tire and run street elinator for $25.00. Course that was a long time ago. __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

11-01-2009, 02:28 PM	#5
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: stock and super stock racing A major flaw in using National Records for handicapping cars was that, after awhile, it became apparent to the people who raced a lot, that if they re-set the record, they were shooting themselves in the foot, as it would chip away at their handicap (dial-in) number, so racers who were aware of this would "protect" their record (not lower it) 'til after awhile, National Records became a joke, because so many of them were "protected," and not nearly as quick as they needed to be. It was called "sandbagging," and still is.... That's one of the reasons the index system was created. __________________ Bill

11-01-2009, 06:28 PM	#6
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: stock and super stock racing Other than CLASS, there was break-out racing Dick. You could not go more than .10 secs under during eliminations. It may have seemed like no break-out racing to some, because not many could even run close to their class records at the time. It was a very advantageous system for me with my '50 Olds in the military in Texas in 1969. I won 17 of 19 races and runner-uped the other two (broke). One amber Pro-tree by the way at Temple Academy Dragway (Little River). Neatest little track around. Do they still run there? Jerry

11-01-2009, 07:01 PM	#7
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: stock and super stock racing When the eliminators were run off records there was a 1/10 breakout allowed. Except for the final then it was get to the stripe first. And BTW there were no quickest loser qualifiers. You won class or you went home. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS Last edited by art leong; 11-01-2009 at 07:04 PM.