Lencos in SS

[Kris]

Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

I'm certainly not trying to argue with you either. It doesnt really matter how much we try to hash this out, it boils down to the fact that it probably will never be allowed. And should it be like anything there are plenty of pros/cons to deal with. But with all the money slung at these cars what the hell is the difference I suppose.

[tj310]

If you go to the parts for sale section I believe you will find more adds for Jerico wanted than for sale

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

I'd have to disagree about having the same clutch setup for both trans. I ran a much softer setup with the clutchless, alot less "hit" on the gear change than the clutch assisted. As for the trans, guys saying you must have clutch slip in the gear change that mostly is to cover their *****, less hit means less damage. I've been through it, the clutch guys say one thing so you don't burn up their clutches, then the trans, guys say exactly the opposite so you don't hurt the trans.Been there done that. I can only say from my stand point I used up $300 worth of fluid and clutches this year with a tweak over 100 runs. That same number of runs with my G-force would have used over $1200 worth. Buy a Faceplate and a slider a few times, it adds up. Now, Do I hang a cluch pedal in the stang? Joe

[Cam]

Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

I've wondered about the "slip when you shift" mandate. If you zoom into the timeline, the shift is made and the shock load goes through the driveline. The additional load of the higher gear then pulls the engine down, reducing certrifugal clamping force on the clutch and it slips.
By the time the clutch slips any damage has already been done. Just a thought.
Cam

[SSGN]

Originally Posted by njk53

Super Stock and Stock eliminator are really getting out of hand. This kind of equipment is more like a modified production class. Where is this going to end? The trans case should be OEM.

If I had my way I would have SS and Stock be a foot brake class; no electronics, no wheelie bars, Schubeck lifters, etc. Bring some normalcy back to the two classes.
I would have a more thorough list of OEM options from the factory and not dealer installed items to allow the 55-56-57 Chevys back into stock eliminator.

Not much stock left in stock.It is really too bad everytime a new rule is allowed we get further away from the class.The end will happen soon enough,then everyone will wonder what went wrong.Not looking to start a internet pissing match just an observation.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Originally Posted by SSGN

Not much stock left in stock.It is really too bad everytime a new rule is allowed we get further away from the class.The end will happen soon enough,then everyone will wonder what went wrong.Not looking to start a internet pissing match just an observation.

I didn't see where they were talking about allowing clutchless in stock. As for allowing it in SS I would think it to be a good idea, I'm unaware of anyone who still uses the clutch in a gear change. The primary benefit I see is less trans breakage, shifting a clutch assisted trans without a clutch can certainly be done however it's very hard on the trans. I've tried both combos in my AX car and the E.T. difference is almost none existant. However the durability is considerably different. This may change some racers thoughts on the prospect of running a lever car, it certainly can't hurt. Joe

[SuperStockDodge]

Well, i still use the clutch on every gear change.