Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock

bill dedman · 04-18-2009, 06:23 PM

At some point it looks like there was an aluminum intake somewhere, as it is now legal on the 235HP "Commando" motor (manifold newly legalized), because Angela Bushmaker's K/SA car has one on it, now, and it wouldn't be on there if it weren't legal. She has a '65 Valiant 235HP car.

As to where its original app. was, I don't know. I'm inclined to go with Dwight's information on this, just because everything of that nature was always so "fluid" at MOPAR back then; especially, on a deal like these on again/off again D-Darts. Seems like they made it up as they went along...

ddartdude · 04-18-2009, 08:22 PM

Edelbrock released the D4B for the early 273's. Not sure if any of them had Chrysler P/N's on them or not. I do have an LD4B that has Chrysler P/N 2836139 cast into it. I think this is the one that is being used by Angela.

Real Racer · 04-18-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

At some point it looks like there was an aluminum intake somewhere, as it is now legal on the 235HP "Commando" motor (manifold newly legalized), because Angela Bushmaker's K/SA car has one on it, now, and it wouldn't be on there if it weren't legal. She has a '65 Valiant 235HP car.

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Who says that Edelbrock intake is legal for a 273-235 in stock?
Where is that information listed? Not in the blue prints or classification guides.
Maybe I can run a Rat Roaster on my Hemi now?

bill dedman · 04-18-2009, 10:59 PM

Bill Bushmaker owns the '65 Valiant that his daughter, Angela drives in K/SA (Div. VI) and the engine work is performed by Larry Hollums, in Kent, WA. I talked to Larry about this car a couple of weeks ago and he said that they had just finished putting a newly-approved aluminum intake manifold on the car.

Bill and Larry have been knee-deep in NHRA Stock Eliminator for over 30 years; they're not going to install a manifold that's going to get the car bounced.

I don't know why the information is not in the Blueprint specifications, but probably, NHRA laid-off the person who changes the info on that website in their last round of cost-cutting measures.

If you want to run a Rat Roaster, put the car in Super Stock and have at it...

Bill

Billy Nees · 04-19-2009, 07:25 AM

There is no listing for ANY intake for the 273/235 in the engine specs. The next question is, how can anyone run the 273/235 combo without an intake? That must be one good trick. I have been told by a couple of different tech inspectors over the years "If it's not in the guide, then you can't run it".

X-TECH MAN · 04-19-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

There is no listing for ANY intake for the 273/235 in the engine specs. The next question is, how can anyone run the 273/235 combo without an intake? That must be one good trick. I have been told by a couple of different tech inspectors over the years "If it's not in the guide, then you can't run it".

Its in the "SECRET" guide used on the west coast.....lol

Billy Nees · 04-19-2009, 08:40 AM

Terry, obviously, why didn't I think of that.

bill dedman · 04-19-2009, 08:57 AM

I'll call NHRA Tech on Monday and try to find out why that (or, at least, SOME manifold) is not in the blueprint specs online. Hard to get them to start without something to bolt the carb to....

dart4forte · 05-04-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

At some point it looks like there was an aluminum intake somewhere, as it is now legal on the 235HP "Commando" motor (manifold newly legalized), because Angela Bushmaker's K/SA car has one on it, now, and it wouldn't be on there if it weren't legal. She has a '65 Valiant 235HP car.

As to where its original app. was, I don't know. I'm inclined to go with Dwight's information on this, just because everything of that nature was always so "fluid" at MOPAR back then; especially, on a deal like these on again/off again D-Darts. Seems like they made it up as they went along...

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the Bushmaker garage when they discuss how they ran using that intake. The Edelbrock D4B was a factory over the counter replacement intake for the 273/318 starting in 66. I have several so I'll look at the part numbers and post it.

ddartdude · 05-16-2009, 12:56 PM

Well.......my old D/Dart is going on the Mecum auction block in about 4 hours. Any guesses as to what it will bring? At the price range listed in the Ellis Brochure, I doubt if it will sell. If nothing else, it will be a TV Star.

04-18-2009, 06:23 PM	#1
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock At some point it looks like there was an aluminum intake somewhere, as it is now legal on the 235HP "Commando" motor (manifold newly legalized), because Angela Bushmaker's K/SA car has one on it, now, and it wouldn't be on there if it weren't legal. She has a '65 Valiant 235HP car. As to where its original app. was, I don't know. I'm inclined to go with Dwight's information on this, just because everything of that nature was always so "fluid" at MOPAR back then; especially, on a deal like these on again/off again D-Darts. Seems like they made it up as they went along... __________________ Bill

04-18-2009, 08:22 PM	#2
ddartdude Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock Edelbrock released the D4B for the early 273's. Not sure if any of them had Chrysler P/N's on them or not. I do have an LD4B that has Chrysler P/N 2836139 cast into it. I think this is the one that is being used by Angela.

04-18-2009, 10:59 PM	#4
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock Bill Bushmaker owns the '65 Valiant that his daughter, Angela drives in K/SA (Div. VI) and the engine work is performed by Larry Hollums, in Kent, WA. I talked to Larry about this car a couple of weeks ago and he said that they had just finished putting a newly-approved aluminum intake manifold on the car. Bill and Larry have been knee-deep in NHRA Stock Eliminator for over 30 years; they're not going to install a manifold that's going to get the car bounced. I don't know why the information is not in the Blueprint specifications, but probably, NHRA laid-off the person who changes the info on that website in their last round of cost-cutting measures. If you want to run a Rat Roaster, put the car in Super Stock and have at it... Bill __________________ Bill

04-19-2009, 07:25 AM	#5
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,512 Likes: 3,621 Liked 7,907 Times in 1,754 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock There is no listing for ANY intake for the 273/235 in the engine specs. The next question is, how can anyone run the 273/235 combo without an intake? That must be one good trick. I have been told by a couple of different tech inspectors over the years "If it's not in the guide, then you can't run it". __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

04-19-2009, 08:40 AM	#7
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,512 Likes: 3,621 Liked 7,907 Times in 1,754 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock Terry, obviously, why didn't I think of that. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

04-19-2009, 08:57 AM	#8
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock I'll call NHRA Tech on Monday and try to find out why that (or, at least, SOME manifold) is not in the blueprint specs online. Hard to get them to start without something to bolt the carb to.... __________________ Bill

05-16-2009, 12:56 PM	#10
ddartdude Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock Well.......my old D/Dart is going on the Mecum auction block in about 4 hours. Any guesses as to what it will bring? At the price range listed in the Ellis Brochure, I doubt if it will sell. If nothing else, it will be a TV Star.