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Old 03-26-2015, 05:31 PM   #41
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No AHFS for anyone EVER!! No lead trophies for going fast ever!! Index is set by the record. Run faster then the index you get torn down and checked for legality and if passed index changed and you get bonus points for setting a record. Everything heads up run what you brung and hope you brung enough!!!

Now that's what drag racing is supposed to be!!!!


Since my back ground is heads up racing, I'm in the similar boat as the earlier poster. Not being a smartbutt, just looking for someone to explain the issue to me. Other than qualifying, how does this affect anything else within the eliminator? I can understand the issue if the new cars and old cars are in the same class and they are paired up, if the new car has an advantage. That could easily be fixed with weight though, correct? Otherwise, I don't understand the issue, since the rest is just bracket racing. Someone please explain what I'm missing that seems to be upsetting so many people.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:08 PM   #42
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:19 PM   #43
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It has been explained so many times, but here goes again: There are different rules for different cars. The FSS, when contested, run without fear of penalties of any kind. The other 95% of the cars in the Eliminator do face repercussions. THAT, is the issue--the unfair application of the rules across the board in Stock Eliminator. Some get a free pass--the rest don't.
Ok, I'm still lost, because I fail to see how it affects the outcome of the race. If all of the FSS cars are not affected, and the older cars are not having to run heads up against them, what difference does it make?
In other words, the way I understand it, is the FSS cars can run all out, without penalty against each other. But when they move into regular. eliminations, doesn't it once again, just become a bracket race? At that point I don't see any disadvantage for the older cars.
Again, I really don't understand what the issue is, unless it was a heads up race with no break out in affect. Otherwise, why does it matter?
I actually see it as an advantage for the older cars, because the new combos will be forced to show their hand much sooner and run all out, instead of hiding behind a soft index.

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Old 03-26-2015, 06:29 PM   #44
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Ok, I'm still lost, because I fail to see how it affects the outcome of the race. If all of the FSS cars are not affected, and the older cars are not having to run heads up against them, what difference does it make?
In other words, the way I understand it, is the FSS cars can run all out, without penalty against each other. But when they move into regular. eliminations, doesn't it once again, just become a bracket race? At that point I don't see any disadvantage for the older cars.
Again, I really don't understand what the issue is, unless it was a heads up race with no break out in affect. Otherwise, why does it matter?
I actually see it as an advantage for the older cars, because the new combos will be forced to show their hand much sooner and run all out, instead of hiding behind a soft index.
Tony - What you are not seeing is the agendas of some that are being clouded by all the testosarone flying around the fact that they want to qualify higher than everyone else ......Hope this clears things up for you.And you are right - once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .
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...and every pass you made at that event would not get you h.p., then which event would it be ? (much like the National Opens are now)

The event that comes to my mind would be Indy.

Think of the excitement it would generate if Stockers were not penalized for running quicker than .999 under their index.

Class run-offs would be more exciting.

Would it attract more newly built combos ?

I can see the plus points here, but would there be any drawbacks if NHRA was to try this idea at least once a year ?
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POST......
I think some of us got off topic...

Indy, of course that would be the 1.

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Old 03-26-2015, 07:05 PM   #47
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Tony - What you are not seeing is the agendas of some that are being clouded by all the testosarone flying around the fact that they want to qualify higher than everyone else ......Hope this clears things up for you.And you are right - once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .
I hoped there was more too it than just that, but after reading Mr. Carr's last statement, I tend to agree with you. I thought there was a real agenda I was missing, that gave the FSS cars an unfair advantage against the older cars that would allow them an easier chance to win the race. So, truthfully, other than qualifying, (for a bracket race), it doesn't affect anything.
I personally think Stock and Super Stock would be a much better, more exciting class if everyone ran off of their index, with no breakout in affect. That would end this argument anyway, lol

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Old 03-26-2015, 07:21 PM   #48
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Tony - What you are not seeing is the agendas of some that are being clouded by all the testosarone flying around the fact that they want to qualify higher than everyone else ......Hope this clears things up for you.And you are right - once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .
Jack.thanks for clearing things up.

Back to original question, one of the things I like about NHRA is they try to be fair, yeah I know, going to get killed on that comment. My opinion is you cannot have it both ways, if you are going to run a special race, it should not count toward qualifying. If it counts toward qualifying then it should follow the same AHFS rules

You want to really mess things up, your qualifying time is your dial in for race day.
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[QUOTE=rognelson777;466067] My opinion is you cannot have it both ways, if you are going to run a special race, it should not count toward qualifying. If it counts toward qualifying then it should follow the same AHFS rules[/QUOTE/]

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once first round begins its a bracket race for the most part .
It's that "for the most part" that can jump up and bite you when you least expect it or can afford it. It's also the reason that we need the AHFS to be in affect for EVERY one in Stock Eliminator at EVERY National Event.
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