How crazy would it be.....

[doglover44]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

Well Billy, you say you've taken your meds, but we have no proof of that. In fact this idea would almost suggest otherwise. I think NHRA has a class just
like what you're suggesting. I believe they call it Comp Eliminator. And if for some reason spending that kind of money doesn't scare the pants right off
of you, may I suggest you contact Greg Anderson or Richard Freeman who
will work out a budget for that fits your lifestyle.

J.R.

Can Stock or Super Stock even run in comp?

[GTS340]

There were way more car brand battles that made fastest car in class fun. No driver weight was in play in the early days. Those battles for the new generation vehicles and the folks that relate to them are only available at E.T. races now.

Paul H

[JGrossijr]

1 lb. breaks get tougher at higher HP ratings. At 200 hp a racer could easily bounce between 2 classes. At 400+ HP a racer could be stuck, and there are several combinations in the 500-650 HP range.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

1 lb. breaks get tougher at higher HP ratings. At 200 hp a racer could easily bounce between 2 classes. At 400+ HP a racer could be stuck, and there are several combinations in the 500-650 HP range.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so the guys who want 1lb. breaks, don't forget this!
Different deal but just an FYI because I've run into it, some of the FWD stuff is 3 lb. breaks. Imagine what it's like with a 140 HP combo having to add or subtract 420 lbs..
It kinda makes a combo a 1 class car in a hurry.

[JIM MARSHALL]

Billy all the rear wheel drive cars I ever raced had a natural class.

I don?t know when it became fashionable to go up a class and down a class.

If everyone was forced to run their natural class more heads up would result.

The AHFS would have a better chance to work if that is what racers want.

Forgive me if it doesn?t work for FW drive cars because I don?t have any idea how they work.

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by JIM MARSHALL

Billy all the rear wheel drive cars I ever raced had a natural class.

I don?t know when it became fashionable to go up a class and down a class.

If everyone was forced to run their natural class more heads up would result.

The AHFS would have a better chance to work if that is what racers want.

Forgive me if it doesn?t work for FW drive cars because I don?t have any idea how they work.

Jim, it works the same way as the upper classes (with a big hitch thrown in over time that screwed the pooch), back in 1994 I started racing this same FWD car in GF/SA (same Index, at 110hp). Ran I till 97 (never competitive). They lowered it in Feb 96 to 99hp...where it belonged originally. By that time I had spent a bunch chasing the impossible.

Then over time the combined FWD classes and got rid of GF-and FF recently. EF now bottom class at same 17.45 sea level index. (But added 6hp).

Imagine you run a G/SA car and one day you wake up and you are magically put into E/SA, and then they also tack on 6.5 percent more HP onto your combo.

You would run up a class also at least until you could make both the weight and the E.T. index to get it down to natural DF/S class (the car was never that light the day it drove off the assembly line), It took a ton of work to shave off 345lbs. And do it by the book. It happened, but reality bites because it
wasn't a full second faster...yet. Putting the weight back on was a necessary evil.

Parts removed went right back on in a day. 2/10ths above index was 2/10s below index at same high elevation track and down 1 class in EF/S I sit. Flogging away spending time and effort to get it to run at elevation what it is proven capable of running at sea level. We do what we must,, heads up or shoe polish driving against much faster dance partners at the stripe. And I prefer both.

But the faster the partner in the other lane is the most fun of all.

[Cglrcng]

This was an imaginary thread but how crazy would it be if they allowed me to just race my car at the actual advertised (I have the original 1984 Dodge Daytona Dealer Sales Brochure listing the real life specs of all 3 1984 Editions), at the actual 99HP/2,426 lbs., plus 170 driver or total Min. Wt. of 2,596, instead of 2,795 lbs currently. I would attempt DF/S again. (Somebody lied on actual shipping weights originally by a little to get a little on each car shipped monetarily, and hp output was assigned on engine family (that does not really compare in reality), instead of actual indiv. combo historical real performance
numbers. (They corrected it once on the HP side, then put 6.5 percent back on before I returned). Still chasing my tail, but I will get there in spite of bad math and hurdles. (6 total runs historically in 1995, and in 2023 tell me the possibility exists). But, I have never raced it at either its true advertised weight or horsepower, or both.

Now that would be crazy good.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by JIM MARSHALL

If everyone was forced to run their natural class more heads up would result.

Hi Jim! I'd be OK with that! I don't think that you'll find much support for it though. It would also send Racers scurrying back to the Classification guide to find the many combos and classes that time has forgotten.

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so the guys who want 1lb. breaks, don't forget this!
Different deal but just an FYI because I've run into it, some of the FWD stuff is 3 lb. breaks. Imagine what it's like with a 140 HP combo having to add or subtract 420 lbs..
It kinda makes a combo a 1 class car in a hurry.

No need to tell me, mine is exactly 345 lbs between DF/S and EF/S...I attempted it in March, not even close to the index. And all due to the 6hp current factoring
And extra 150lbs that tacks on in both classes..

Billy sees all the pros and cons.. They call it reality and it sucks.

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by doglover44

Can Stock or Super Stock even run in comp?

If there is not a class for you there, they will make 1 up. But, they face but at the end of each day Comp has the same issues as far as indexes. And a cure, personal permanent and immediate personal index hits. Watch the class closely as 1,000 ft drops are common among fearful yet very competitive racers.

The expensive hobby is not for the meek and you better run it like a real business or broke even the rich will be.