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[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

It would be a shame for them to get turned away for emergency care.

No one can be turned away at an emergency room. The EMTALA laws require hospitals to provide emergency treatment.

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

No one can be turned away at an emergency room. The EMTALA laws require hospitals to provide emergency treatment.

You still trolling? You need to educate yourself. COME ON MAN.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

You still trolling? You need to educate yourself. COME ON MAN.

Got you to "bite", didn't he, Randy?


But on a more serious note, he's not wrong! People can't be turned away from "Community" hospitals if they have an emergency. (Private, FOR PROFIT institutions may not have the same requirements). That was the whole reason for the ACA - make affordable health care available to EVERYONE. People wouldn't have to use the Emergency Room as their primary care facility, hospitals wouldn't have to overcharge patients WITH insurance to make up the non-insured shortfalls (no more $4 band-aids or $20 aspirin) and insurance companies wouldn't be able to dictate what treatment a patient received based on a billing schedule - it would decided by a health care professional and her or his patient. Costs go down for EVERYONE!



Healthcare in this country is all about "profits". Insurance companies (and hospital corporations) have stock holders and CEO's to satisfy, and that takes money. Check the financials on your insurance company to see where YOUR premiums go.



While it's obvious that the phrase "We're in This Together" is misinterpreted by some people, hopefully most of us will come out of this - eventually.

[SStockDart]

Lew, my whole point about going to the emergency room was intended to refer to a family of 20 some, and no one has a documented job. How do they pay for medical treatment? They don't....... how is that fair???? I am totally disabled with cancer from agent orange, so this example is not me, but someone near to my family.
She is a nurse at urgent care and he is a private home builder. They gross between $200 and 220,000. Obamacare cost is around $1,600 per month. They pay in an estimated $36,000 in fed taxes, plus all the local taxes. They pay into Social Security. They both work their asses of to provide for and raise their family with braces and educational costs.
So, how is this fair? One family of 20 some, has no one working, free housing, free food, cash to buy drugs and cars, and pays or does absolutely nothing for health care, or attempts to improve social standing. While the other family works hard to pay their way and set good examples.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Lew, my whole point about going to the emergency room was intended to refer to a family of 20 some, and no one has a documented job. How do they pay for medical treatment? They don't....... how is that fair???? I am totally disabled with cancer from agent orange, so this example is not me, but someone near to my family.
She is a nurse at urgent care and he is a private home builder. They gross between $200 and 220,000. Obamacare cost is around $1,600 per month. They pay in an estimated $36,000 in fed taxes, plus all the local taxes. They pay into Social Security. They both work their asses of to provide for and raise their family with braces and educational costs.
So, how is this fair? One family of 20 some, has no one working, free housing, free food, cash to buy drugs and cars, and pays or does absolutely nothing for health care, or attempts to improve social standing. While the other family works hard to pay their way and set good examples.

We've all heard the horror stories, Gary. (See my reply to Randy Wells above)


Wouldn't it be great if there was a program that made affordable health care available to everyone, regardless of wealth or social status? A program that wouldn't disadvantage those with pre-existing conditions or force others to have to file for bankruptcy in order to keep a family member alive? It's not that hard to understand why health care is so expensive here in the US, versus the other industrialized nations who pay a lot less for medical care. You just need to be realistic. Imagine if that family of 20 your friends told you about had a way to see a doctor when one of them fell ill, instead of crowding the ER? Imagine how a "Health Maintenance Program" would make them (and all of us) less of a strain on the System? The Emergency Room isn't supposed to be anyone's "primary care", but without insurance that's where people are forced to go.


This is not a Black or White thing. This is not a Red or Blue thing. This is a HUMAN thing, looking out for those of us who are less fortunate then others. You keep calling it an epithet, "Obamacare", because that's what fashionable now. Still doesn't solve our problem.


Hope you stay well. Thank you for your Service to our Nation.

[SStockDart]

Lew, this should not be a "human thing". People are given the same opportunities for education, yet many do not accept that and are determined to bitch and complain that they are not treated fairly, in order to get something free. But free is not free.....someone has to pay for it.
I look at the riots and wonder how it got this way. I believe it goes back to a time when some of us were not in the states. The hippies, LSD, free love movement evolved via children and grandchildren to this crap.
I just saw pix of 4 BLM people take down an ex marine and kick him in the face. The Marine wore a Trump had.
So, you haven't told me why it is fair that some people pay thousands, and some people pay zero for health care. You only said we need to be humane? Why should we?

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Lew, this should not be a "human thing". People are given the same opportunities for education, yet many do not accept that and are determined to bitch and complain that they are not treated fairly, in order to get something free. But free is not free.....someone has to pay for it.
I look at the riots and wonder how it got this way. I believe it goes back to a time when some of us were not in the states. The hippies, LSD, free love movement evolved via children and grandchildren to this crap.
I just saw pix of 4 BLM people take down an ex marine and kick him in the face. The Marine wore a Trump had.
So, you haven't told me why it is fair that some people pay thousands, and some people pay zero for health care. You only said we need to be humane? Why should we?

Well, Gary, let me just say that you've got way too many issues than I am able to deal with, and the Class Racer Lounge isn't the place to do it. Looks like you'll have to deal with your "demons" without me.


And if you have to ask WHY it's necessary for us to look after the less fortunate among us, the poor and the sick and the disadvantaged, to be emphatic and charitable to those who have fallen on hard times (you might remember those words from your Bible), then no explanation from me is going to set you right.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman

(Private, FOR PROFIT institutions may not have the same requirements).

Actually, for profit hospitals are no different. If a hospital has an ER, it is subject to EMTALA. I spent 15 years working for one of the largest for-profit healthcare corporations in the country, and another two years working for a smaller for-profit.

What a lot of people don't realize is that they have been paying for healthcare for uninsured people for decades. When hospitals are not paid for the care they provide to uninsured people, the hospitals make up that money in three ways. 1) The cost of that care is added to the cost of care for people with insurance. 2) Hospitals get reimbursed by states for that care with tax dollars, and 3) For-profit hospitals deduct the cost of unreimbursed care in their corporate tax returns.

At one of our hospitals in South Carolina, about 40% of bills were not paid prior to the ACA. After the ACA went into effect, that number dropped to 10-12%.

[Paul Sarvas]

You can always tell when facts get in the way during an online forum debate. Some folks use their favorite news channel talking points and monikers. When that doesn't work the name calling and personal attacks come out. Soon the grammer police visit. Then the caps lock and f-bombs. Fascinating...


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[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by Paul Sarvas

You can always tell when facts get in the way during an online forum debate. Some folks use their favorite news channel talking points and monikers. When that doesn't work the name calling and personal attacks come out. Soon the grammer police visit. Then the caps lock and f-bombs. Fascinating...


pS

And you don't use the Communist News Networks talking points! Ok then. They say never argue with liberal because they have a disease, but I like the challenge.